chornobok
2004-07-04 16:26:11 UTC
ARGUMENT TACTICS OF ISLAMISTS
(note that the names in parentheses are contributing authors; feel free
to post any contributions)
1. Cite opinion as fact as often as possible.
2. Post a false or irrelevant link, especially op-ed articles that are
merely opinion, not evidence.
3. if it is a criticism about Muslims, use the ³true Muslim v.
less-than-true Muslim² approach. (the commies liked this one a lot)
4. Say your opponent is ignorant and has no right to an opinion.
5. Just keep repeating the same thing over and over and over no matter
how stupid it is or how many times you are proven wrong. (Goebbels
perfected this one)
6. If the argument concerns the Koran, you have many choices of what to
say:
a. your opponent does not understand the Koran,
b. that he cannot understand it unless he can read Arabic,
c. that it must be read in ³context²,
d. that one must read the entire Koran to know its meaning,
e. that it must be read in order,
f. that he has not read the correct translation
g. that his negative remarks about the Koran are blasphemous
h. that Allah will curse him and his entire family, sending them all
to everlasting damnation and the fires of hell.
i. even though a verse is crystal clear in plain meaning, pretend it
can be interpreted in different, more Islamically flattering
ways. (Asabdou30)
j. the koran is only violent when quoted out of context.
7. Even if it is true, if it makes Muslims look bad just deny it.
7a. If you really can't deny or justify it, point out that christians
were just as murderous a mere 1000+ years ago. (Snort 666)
8. Feel free to lie to infidels; the Koran says it is OK.
9. Call your opponents names and insult them if they say something bad
about Islam that is difficult to refute. Feel free to copy insults from
others if you cannot think of any and be as vile as you can. If your
opponent is a woman, use sexual insults regarding her boyfriend or
spouse.
9a. Or goad your opponents perniciously with insults, pedantic and
petty criticisms and then when they finally react, accuse them of
casting ad hominems and being rude.
10. If you can, just say it really has nothing to do with Islam.
11. If possible, try to make absurd connections and relationships in an
attempt to confuse your opponent or send him on a wild goose chase.
12. Be sure to get in the line, ³Islam means peace² if at all possible.
13. Score cheap points by misstating and embellishing what your
opponent says. (Devon Hill)
14. Highlight the names of those you hate, watch for their posts and
harass them at every possible opportunity.
15. Use circular reasoning if you have no evidence.
16. Equivocate whenever possible.
17. If your opponent says anything even remotely bad about a Muslim or
Muslims, accuse him of stereotyping or say it is not representative of
Muslims. (Mike Craney)
18. If the discussion gets uncomfortable, try to reroute it by editing
the embarrassing stuff or citing anything bad about non-muslims
(especially American non-Muslims) you can think of, no matter how far in
the past it happened or how untrue (genocide of Native Americans,
Bombing of Japan, American support of the Shah in Iran, Southern US
slavery, the Christian crusades and the Salem witch trials should all be
kept in your bag of tricks).
19. Let Margrove (Izzy) or other America Haters argue for you
20. Take every opportunity to demonstrate to everyone how much Muslims
are living in the past.
21. If your opponent says something you don¹t like, accuse them of not
reading or comprehending what you wrote.
22. Say your opponent is just biased.
23. Remove the article number from your opponent¹s post when you
respond to make it difficult for others to look back to see what he
really said.
24. Top post and edit out the things you cannot refute just to piss
everybody off (Brickbat).
25. Revise the definitions of words on the fly if you have no other way
of defending some stupid thing you said, or do it just to confuse your
opponents and make them think you know more than you actually do. (The
Holy Kafir)
26. If you are unable to rebut or get caught in another tall tale, just
say your opponent is irrational and makes no sense. Better yet, insist
that you have no responsibility to prove your OWN claim but, rather,
that it is up to your opponent to disprove you. This latter tactic
comes in especially handy on God arguments but can be used to try and
pass off just about any old lie.
27. When not editing to hide the points your opponent is making, don¹t
edit at all and take every opportunity to use extreme amounts of
bandwidth with meaningless cuts and pastes from Islamist propaganda
machine websites.
28. If you cannot refute the point your opponent has made, then refute
another point as close as possible to the one really at issue, to see if
you can confuse your opponent or reroute the discussion.
29. Whatever bad things happen, just blame it all on the Jews. Be sure
to indicate in endless detail how much you and your friends despise the
Jews. Try to get some licks in about how the Jews control the entire US
and make sure your children read it too so they will also learn to hate
the Jews too.
30. If you are unable to win the argument or respond cogently to the
topic at hand, then just change the topic to something completely
unrelated or accuse your opponent of something allegedly sinister or
stupid whether you know it to be true or not. Try your best to
sidetrack the discussion by accusing your opponent of something<
anything that will accomplish this goal.
31. If you are caught making a false claim or otherwise engaging in
sophistic skullduggery, attempt to trivialize your bad form by insisting
it was just a parenthetical or offhanded remark. Or accuse your
opponent of misunderstanding what you said or of not being able to
comprehend the penultimate sophistication of your utterances.
32. If all else fails and you are unable to come up with a logical
response, then just quit the thread. (The Department of Defense)
33. If your opponent has angered you, threaten his or her safety using
terms like ³jihad², ³exterminate² or ³vengeance². Be sure to have a
good excuse when Homeland Security tracks you down.
34. Pretend you are not really a muslim by choosing an obviously
un-muslim name like Guido or Roberto.
35. And when you have attempted to thoroughly bamboozle your opponents
with any of the above tactics and they call you on it, refusing to be
the target of stupidity and dishonesty, just say you will take that as a
concession from them and declare victory.
36. When confronted with a simple fallacy, inundate with irrelevant
trivia. (Drahcir)
(note that the names in parentheses are contributing authors; feel free
to post any contributions)
1. Cite opinion as fact as often as possible.
2. Post a false or irrelevant link, especially op-ed articles that are
merely opinion, not evidence.
3. if it is a criticism about Muslims, use the ³true Muslim v.
less-than-true Muslim² approach. (the commies liked this one a lot)
4. Say your opponent is ignorant and has no right to an opinion.
5. Just keep repeating the same thing over and over and over no matter
how stupid it is or how many times you are proven wrong. (Goebbels
perfected this one)
6. If the argument concerns the Koran, you have many choices of what to
say:
a. your opponent does not understand the Koran,
b. that he cannot understand it unless he can read Arabic,
c. that it must be read in ³context²,
d. that one must read the entire Koran to know its meaning,
e. that it must be read in order,
f. that he has not read the correct translation
g. that his negative remarks about the Koran are blasphemous
h. that Allah will curse him and his entire family, sending them all
to everlasting damnation and the fires of hell.
i. even though a verse is crystal clear in plain meaning, pretend it
can be interpreted in different, more Islamically flattering
ways. (Asabdou30)
j. the koran is only violent when quoted out of context.
7. Even if it is true, if it makes Muslims look bad just deny it.
7a. If you really can't deny or justify it, point out that christians
were just as murderous a mere 1000+ years ago. (Snort 666)
8. Feel free to lie to infidels; the Koran says it is OK.
9. Call your opponents names and insult them if they say something bad
about Islam that is difficult to refute. Feel free to copy insults from
others if you cannot think of any and be as vile as you can. If your
opponent is a woman, use sexual insults regarding her boyfriend or
spouse.
9a. Or goad your opponents perniciously with insults, pedantic and
petty criticisms and then when they finally react, accuse them of
casting ad hominems and being rude.
10. If you can, just say it really has nothing to do with Islam.
11. If possible, try to make absurd connections and relationships in an
attempt to confuse your opponent or send him on a wild goose chase.
12. Be sure to get in the line, ³Islam means peace² if at all possible.
13. Score cheap points by misstating and embellishing what your
opponent says. (Devon Hill)
14. Highlight the names of those you hate, watch for their posts and
harass them at every possible opportunity.
15. Use circular reasoning if you have no evidence.
16. Equivocate whenever possible.
17. If your opponent says anything even remotely bad about a Muslim or
Muslims, accuse him of stereotyping or say it is not representative of
Muslims. (Mike Craney)
18. If the discussion gets uncomfortable, try to reroute it by editing
the embarrassing stuff or citing anything bad about non-muslims
(especially American non-Muslims) you can think of, no matter how far in
the past it happened or how untrue (genocide of Native Americans,
Bombing of Japan, American support of the Shah in Iran, Southern US
slavery, the Christian crusades and the Salem witch trials should all be
kept in your bag of tricks).
19. Let Margrove (Izzy) or other America Haters argue for you
20. Take every opportunity to demonstrate to everyone how much Muslims
are living in the past.
21. If your opponent says something you don¹t like, accuse them of not
reading or comprehending what you wrote.
22. Say your opponent is just biased.
23. Remove the article number from your opponent¹s post when you
respond to make it difficult for others to look back to see what he
really said.
24. Top post and edit out the things you cannot refute just to piss
everybody off (Brickbat).
25. Revise the definitions of words on the fly if you have no other way
of defending some stupid thing you said, or do it just to confuse your
opponents and make them think you know more than you actually do. (The
Holy Kafir)
26. If you are unable to rebut or get caught in another tall tale, just
say your opponent is irrational and makes no sense. Better yet, insist
that you have no responsibility to prove your OWN claim but, rather,
that it is up to your opponent to disprove you. This latter tactic
comes in especially handy on God arguments but can be used to try and
pass off just about any old lie.
27. When not editing to hide the points your opponent is making, don¹t
edit at all and take every opportunity to use extreme amounts of
bandwidth with meaningless cuts and pastes from Islamist propaganda
machine websites.
28. If you cannot refute the point your opponent has made, then refute
another point as close as possible to the one really at issue, to see if
you can confuse your opponent or reroute the discussion.
29. Whatever bad things happen, just blame it all on the Jews. Be sure
to indicate in endless detail how much you and your friends despise the
Jews. Try to get some licks in about how the Jews control the entire US
and make sure your children read it too so they will also learn to hate
the Jews too.
30. If you are unable to win the argument or respond cogently to the
topic at hand, then just change the topic to something completely
unrelated or accuse your opponent of something allegedly sinister or
stupid whether you know it to be true or not. Try your best to
sidetrack the discussion by accusing your opponent of something<
anything that will accomplish this goal.
31. If you are caught making a false claim or otherwise engaging in
sophistic skullduggery, attempt to trivialize your bad form by insisting
it was just a parenthetical or offhanded remark. Or accuse your
opponent of misunderstanding what you said or of not being able to
comprehend the penultimate sophistication of your utterances.
32. If all else fails and you are unable to come up with a logical
response, then just quit the thread. (The Department of Defense)
33. If your opponent has angered you, threaten his or her safety using
terms like ³jihad², ³exterminate² or ³vengeance². Be sure to have a
good excuse when Homeland Security tracks you down.
34. Pretend you are not really a muslim by choosing an obviously
un-muslim name like Guido or Roberto.
35. And when you have attempted to thoroughly bamboozle your opponents
with any of the above tactics and they call you on it, refusing to be
the target of stupidity and dishonesty, just say you will take that as a
concession from them and declare victory.
36. When confronted with a simple fallacy, inundate with irrelevant
trivia. (Drahcir)