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A message to the 5,000 troops who have deserted from this Iraq war....
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brasspounder
2004-12-14 16:07:56 UTC
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Godspeed to you!
Your actions are no less heroic than the men who fought against our
previous insane war--Viet Nam--by refusing to become murderers for a bad
cause.
If enough of them 'go over the hill' the federal prisons simply won't be
able to hold them all, and those who make it to Canada, Australia, and New
Zealand will in all odds be pardoned by a future Jimmy Carter clone. Heck,
latinos only need shed their uniforms and mosey on over to 'el otro lado de
la frontera.'
George
2004-12-15 15:16:00 UTC
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Post by brasspounder
Godspeed to you!
Your actions are no less heroic than the men who fought against our
previous insane war--Viet Nam--by refusing to become murderers for a bad
cause.
If enough of them 'go over the hill' the federal prisons simply won't be
able to hold them all, and those who make it to Canada, Australia, and New
Zealand will in all odds be pardoned by a future Jimmy Carter clone.
Heck,
Post by brasspounder
latinos only need shed their uniforms and mosey on over to 'el otro lado de
la frontera.'
First of all, there haven't been 5000. It's another See-BS (CBS 60
Minutes) lie like the forged documents.

In fact, citizen-soldier.org (a leftist site) says that only 4 have gone
over the hill and the Marines last week charged one who ran while in Iraq,
making a total of 5. That's hardly enough to fill all the prisons.

Second, advocating soldiers to desert or mutiny is a felony.

18 USC 2387

(a) Whoever, with intent to interfere with, impair, or influence the
loyalty, morale, or discipline of the military or naval forces of the United
States:

(1) advises, counsels, urges, or in any manner causes or attempts to
cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member
of the military or naval forces of the United States; or

(2) distributes or attempts to distribute any written or printed
matter which advises, counsels, or urges insubordination, disloyalty,
mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of
the United States -

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years,
or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any
department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his
conviction.

(b) For the purposes of this section, the term ''military or naval
forces of the United States'' includes the Army of the United States, the
Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, Naval Reserve, Marine Corps
Reserve, and Coast Guard Reserve of the United States; and, when any
merchant vessel is commissioned in the Navy or is in the service of the Army
or the Navy, includes the master, officers, and crew of such vessel.

And, third, there won't be another "Jimmy Carter" to pardon them given the
pardon abuses by both Carter and Clinton.
2004-12-15 21:47:12 UTC
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Post by brasspounder
Godspeed to you!
Your actions are no less heroic than the men who fought against our
previous insane war--Viet Nam--by refusing to become murderers for a bad
cause.
If enough of them 'go over the hill' the federal prisons simply won't be
able to hold them all, and those who make it to Canada, Australia, and New
Zealand will in all odds be pardoned by a future Jimmy Carter clone.
Heck,
Post by brasspounder
latinos only need shed their uniforms and mosey on over to 'el otro lado
de
Post by brasspounder
la frontera.'
First of all, there haven't been 5000. It's another See-BS (CBS 60
Minutes) lie like the forged documents.
In fact, citizen-soldier.org (a leftist site) says that only 4 have gone
over the hill and the Marines last week charged one who ran while in Iraq,
making a total of 5. That's hardly enough to fill all the prisons.
Second, advocating soldiers to desert or mutiny is a felony.
18 USC 2387
(a) Whoever, with intent to interfere with, impair, or influence the
loyalty, morale, or discipline of the military or naval forces of the United
(1) advises, counsels, urges, or in any manner causes or attempts to
cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member
of the military or naval forces of the United States; or
(2) distributes or attempts to distribute any written or printed
matter which advises, counsels, or urges insubordination, disloyalty,
mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of
the United States -
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years,
or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any
department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his
conviction.
(b) For the purposes of this section, the term ''military or naval
forces of the United States'' includes the Army of the United States, the
Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, Naval Reserve, Marine Corps
Reserve, and Coast Guard Reserve of the United States; and, when any
merchant vessel is commissioned in the Navy or is in the service of the Army
or the Navy, includes the master, officers, and crew of such vessel.
And, third, there won't be another "Jimmy Carter" to pardon them given the
pardon abuses by both Carter and Clinton.
We are a shaking in our boots!

And, I suppose the POS you are, you think the men who refused to fight for the
insane Viet Nam war were wrong...

God, I pray to God you son acts heroically and "takes a bullet" for someone who
doesn't have such screwed up genetics....



YEE-HAW!!!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!!! This is gonna be better than Spike TV!

Surf over to http://fallujapictures.blogspot.com/ for some cool pics
of all the fun!

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The undeniable truth of politics is that people always
get the government they deserve, whether it is Saddam
Hussein in Iraq or George W. Bush in the United States.
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George
2004-12-16 06:35:08 UTC
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Post by brasspounder
Godspeed to you!
Your actions are no less heroic than the men who fought against our
previous insane war--Viet Nam--by refusing to become murderers for a bad
cause.
If enough of them 'go over the hill' the federal prisons simply won't be
able to hold them all, and those who make it to Canada, Australia, and New
Zealand will in all odds be pardoned by a future Jimmy Carter clone.
Heck,
Post by brasspounder
latinos only need shed their uniforms and mosey on over to 'el otro lado
de
Post by brasspounder
la frontera.'
First of all, there haven't been 5000. It's another See-BS (CBS 60
Minutes) lie like the forged documents.
In fact, citizen-soldier.org (a leftist site) says that only 4 have gone
over the hill and the Marines last week charged one who ran while in Iraq,
making a total of 5. That's hardly enough to fill all the prisons.
Second, advocating soldiers to desert or mutiny is a felony.
18 USC 2387
(a) Whoever, with intent to interfere with, impair, or influence the
loyalty, morale, or discipline of the military or naval forces of the United
(1) advises, counsels, urges, or in any manner causes or attempts to
cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member
of the military or naval forces of the United States; or
(2) distributes or attempts to distribute any written or printed
matter which advises, counsels, or urges insubordination, disloyalty,
mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of
the United States -
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years,
or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any
department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his
conviction.
(b) For the purposes of this section, the term ''military or naval
forces of the United States'' includes the Army of the United States, the
Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, Naval Reserve, Marine Corps
Reserve, and Coast Guard Reserve of the United States; and, when any
merchant vessel is commissioned in the Navy or is in the service of the Army
or the Navy, includes the master, officers, and crew of such vessel.
And, third, there won't be another "Jimmy Carter" to pardon them given the
pardon abuses by both Carter and Clinton.
We are a shaking in our boots!
More likely, you'll be Bubbas love interest in some federal prison if you
attempt to exhort members of the US military to desert. That would please
me no end.

"When a nation is at war many thing which might be said in time of peace are
such a hindrance to its efforts that their utterance will not be endured so
long as men fight and no court could regard them as protected by any
Constitutional right." [Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Schenk v. US, 249 US
47, 52 (1919)]

Look up Charles T. Schenk, loser.
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And, I suppose the POS you are, you think the men who refused to fight for the
insane Viet Nam war were wrong...
Yep. They betrayed their country. And their selfish cowardice resulted in
OTHER men having to serve in their place.
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God, I pray to God you son acts heroically and "takes a bullet" for someone who
doesn't have such screwed up genetics....
I'm certainly not surprised that you would celebrate the death of a US
Marine, regardless of whose child he or she is. It just proves that
liberals lie when they say the "support the troops."
2004-12-16 11:38:07 UTC
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Post by brasspounder
Godspeed to you!
Your actions are no less heroic than the men who fought against our
previous insane war--Viet Nam--by refusing to become murderers for a
bad
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cause.
If enough of them 'go over the hill' the federal prisons simply won't
be
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Post by George
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able to hold them all, and those who make it to Canada, Australia, and
New
Post by
Post by George
Post by brasspounder
Zealand will in all odds be pardoned by a future Jimmy Carter clone.
Heck,
Post by brasspounder
latinos only need shed their uniforms and mosey on over to 'el otro
lado
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Post by George
de
Post by brasspounder
la frontera.'
First of all, there haven't been 5000. It's another See-BS (CBS 60
Minutes) lie like the forged documents.
In fact, citizen-soldier.org (a leftist site) says that only 4 have gone
over the hill and the Marines last week charged one who ran while in
Iraq,
Post by
Post by George
making a total of 5. That's hardly enough to fill all the prisons.
Second, advocating soldiers to desert or mutiny is a felony.
18 USC 2387
(a) Whoever, with intent to interfere with, impair, or influence the
loyalty, morale, or discipline of the military or naval forces of the
United
Post by
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(1) advises, counsels, urges, or in any manner causes or attempts
to
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cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any
member
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of the military or naval forces of the United States; or
(2) distributes or attempts to distribute any written or printed
matter which advises, counsels, or urges insubordination, disloyalty,
mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces
of
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Post by George
the United States -
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten
years,
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or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or
any
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Post by George
department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his
conviction.
(b) For the purposes of this section, the term ''military or naval
forces of the United States'' includes the Army of the United States, the
Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, Naval Reserve, Marine Corps
Reserve, and Coast Guard Reserve of the United States; and, when any
merchant vessel is commissioned in the Navy or is in the service of the
Army
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Post by George
or the Navy, includes the master, officers, and crew of such vessel.
And, third, there won't be another "Jimmy Carter" to pardon them given
the
Post by
Post by George
pardon abuses by both Carter and Clinton.
We are a shaking in our boots!
More likely, you'll be Bubbas love interest in some federal prison if you
attempt to exhort members of the US military to desert. That would please
me no end.
George, if you actually thought that the posts violated the law, being the
redneck you are, you would have called the Federal prosecutors. Of course,
maybe you did. And if so, you now they LAUGHED in your redneck face. Now, back
to the heart of the matter and your suffering son:


(Reposted AGAIN since chickenshit George refuses to address the issues)
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Well, I want them home. ALL of them. However, if people like you help keep them
over there, I hope it is the ones who backed Bush, and the sons of the ones who
backed Bush, who pay the ultimate price. After all George, if a bomb goes off
and fate decrees that SIX marines die, wouldn't it be more fitting if it was
men who voted for Bush, than those who voted against him? God, think how unjust
would it be to have someone who voted against all of this crap die so your son
could live.
Post by George
But we know this: Without more dead
Americans, YOU LOSE!
We also know this: They don't' want us there, and as long as 'people' like you
keep our troops there, there will be death. You want a nice clean war where
only the other side dies.

Well George, time a healthy dose of morning Folgers--IN WAR PEOPLE ON BOTH
SIDES DIE!!!!

*You* were the one who wanted our troops there, therefore *you* are the one who
wanted our sons to die!

You voted for it.

You backed it.

You used insults instead of valid arguments as a way of trying to bolster your
position that we should be over there.

And the entire time, you *knew* people die in war.

And you did it anyway.

Your son faces death every day because you cared more about backing George Bush
than you did to back your son.

You wanna know the ironic part George? When the IED takes your son apart--limbs
and blood and organs going every which way, George Bush won't even take the
time to learn your son's name.

I have stopped reading your rant George. It is apparent you are probably
worried sick over what fate may befall your son. You are also prolly dealing
with a massive dose of guilt over the fact you didn't give enough of a shit
about your son to even a smidgen try and keep him out of harms way.

Not the mark of a very good father.

And you know it.

I do have a question tho--isn't it really wild that your son doesn't even have
to die for this to have been too great sacrifice for your son to make. I mean,
even if he comes home in one peace, he will be emotionally scarred for life.
War does that to men--especially wars like this one. He is going to come home
to his own nightmares. His own depression. His own increased divorce rate and
alcoholism, and increased likelihood of marginal employment and suicide.

It wasn't worth it, was it George?

And you knew it before you sent him over there.

As a father--you suck.



YEE-HAW!!!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!!! This is gonna be better than Spike TV!

Surf over to http://fallujapictures.blogspot.com/ for some cool pics
of all the fun!

------------------------------------------------------------------
The undeniable truth of politics is that people always
get the government they deserve, whether it is Saddam
Hussein in Iraq or George W. Bush in the United States.
------------------------------------------------------------------
brasspounder
2004-12-16 16:05:41 UTC
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George, if you actually thought that the posts violated the law, being the
redneck you are, you would have called the Federal prosecutors. Of course,
maybe you did. And if so, you now they LAUGHED in your redneck face. Now,
(Reposted AGAIN since chickenshit George refuses to address the issues)
---------------------------------------------------------------
Well, I want them home. ALL of them. However, if people like you help keep them
over there, I hope it is the ones who backed Bush, and the sons of the ones who
backed Bush, who pay the ultimate price. After all George, if a bomb goes off
and fate decrees that SIX marines die, wouldn't it be more fitting if it was
men who voted for Bush, than those who voted against him? God, think how unjust
would it be to have someone who voted against all of this crap die so your son
could live.
Post by George
But we know this: Without more dead
Americans, YOU LOSE!
We also know this: They don't' want us there, and as long as 'people' like you
keep our troops there, there will be death. You want a nice clean war where
only the other side dies.
Well George, time a healthy dose of morning Folgers--IN WAR PEOPLE ON BOTH
SIDES DIE!!!!
*You* were the one who wanted our troops there, therefore *you* are the one who
wanted our sons to die!
You voted for it.
You backed it.
You used insults instead of valid arguments as a way of trying to bolster your
position that we should be over there.
And the entire time, you *knew* people die in war.
And you did it anyway.
Your son faces death every day because you cared more about backing George Bush
than you did to back your son.
You wanna know the ironic part George? When the IED takes your son apart--limbs
and blood and organs going every which way, George Bush won't even take the
time to learn your son's name.
I have stopped reading your rant George. It is apparent you are probably
worried sick over what fate may befall your son. You are also prolly dealing
with a massive dose of guilt over the fact you didn't give enough of a shit
about your son to even a smidgen try and keep him out of harms way.
Not the mark of a very good father.
And you know it.
I do have a question tho--isn't it really wild that your son doesn't even have
to die for this to have been too great sacrifice for your son to make. I mean,
even if he comes home in one peace, he will be emotionally scarred for life.
War does that to men--especially wars like this one. He is going to come home
to his own nightmares. His own depression. His own increased divorce rate and
alcoholism, and increased likelihood of marginal employment and suicide.
It wasn't worth it, was it George?
And you knew it before you sent him over there.
As a father--you suck.
That reminds me of how Theodore Roosevelt during World War One made
whistlestop tours of the country, making inflammatory speeches at every
podunk town along way, in effect telling every red-blooded, All-American
male it was their duty to drop everything, enlist, and go off to "fight the
Hun," that is, until he got the telegram in July, 1918 telling him that his
youngest son Quentin, an aviator, had been shot down and killed. Something
called REALITY then hit ol' T.R. upside the head and knocked him for a loop.
For the first time in his life he found out what it was like to lose a loved
one in battle and he couldn't handle it. Having spent years telling parents
to send their sons off to die, he retreated from public life and spent most
of his time sitting in a rocking chair, mumbling, "Oh, Quinnie, oh,
Quinnie," over and over again. He lost the will to live and six months
later he was dead.

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