Hmong immigrants think hunting laws don't apply to them

[!]

Keep in mind that Hmong are the "hillbillies" of Asians, coming from a Stone
Age culture in the jungles of Indochina. They just cannot fathom the
concept of something called PRIVATE PROPERTY. Of course the ACLU and all
their blue state whigger friends will come running to Charlie's defense and
make it look like it's all the fault of "tobacco-chewing, sister-screwing,
inbred trailer trash," right, Morris Sleeze?
http://www.kansascity.com/images/twincities/twincities/10246/104981273204.jpg


Mon, Nov. 22, 2004

Collision of cultures

Hmong and white hunters have had disputes in the woods.

Hunting is a tradition many Hmong have continued to pursue since resettling
here from Laos, though not always smoothly.

Some Hmong hunters in the Twin Cities say they have been targets of
harassment and intimidation. Some of their white counterparts complain that
the former refugees, used to unregulated hunting in their homeland,
sometimes fail to comply with modern hunting regulations and wildlife
management practices.

"A lot of these hunters are people who have a strong tradition in hunting,"
said Hmong activist Michael Yang of St. Paul, who joined friends looking for
deer on his first hunting trip a few weeks ago. "That was one of the bases
of survival back in the old days. You go out there in your farm fields and
hunt what you need."

Hunters of all kinds expressed shock Sunday at the arrest of Chai Vang of
St. Paul in shootings that killed five people and injured three during a
dispute over a deer stand in western Wisconsin. The natural resources
departments in Minnesota and Wisconsin, home to more than 75,000 Hmong
counted in the 2000 census, have both hired Hmong conservation officers to
help bridge the gap between Hmong hunting traditions and today's
regulations.

Lee Pao Xiong, a Hmong activist from St. Paul, said he stopped hunting on
public lands in Minnesota after an incident several years ago in which he
and two friends were hunting for squirrels. Two carloads of white hunters
suddenly pulled in to the spot where the three were camping and started
making harassing comments. Several other Hmong hunters overheard the
commotion, and the other hunters left when they realized they were
outnumbered.

Michael Yang said he hears Hmong hunters talking of discrimination and
taunts from other hunters. Hmong hunters have even been forced to take off
their clothes at gunpoint, he said.

"Definitely, there's a lot of friction," Michael Yang said.

Other hunters say they have had problems with Hmong hunters they have
encountered.

Maple Grove hunter Sandy Halvorson said some local hunters complain that
Hmong hunters have come onto private property to hunt and don't understand
property rights and bag limits.

"There's a problem with our system," she said, adding there should perhaps
be classes to teach hunting laws and traditions to immigrants trying to
obtain a license.

"There is a cultural difference between hunting in other countries and
hunting in the United States," she said.

Hunters are protective of their favorite spots, said Dusty Bosteder, a
hunter from Birchwood, Wis., near Rice Lake.

"I'm shocked," Bosteder said of the shootings. "Stuff like that doesn't
happen in this area." Still, he said, "Around this country, it has always
been territorial."



http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/local/10243515.htm?1c

[U3]

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:02:53 -0800, "!" <***@nospam.com> wrote:

>Keep in mind that Hmong are the "hillbillies" of Asians, coming from a Stone
>Age culture in the jungles of Indochina. They just cannot fathom the
>concept of something called PRIVATE PROPERTY. Of course the ACLU and all
>their blue state whigger friends will come running to Charlie's defense and
>make it look like it's all the fault of "tobacco-chewing, sister-screwing,
>inbred trailer trash," right, Morris Sleeze?
>http://www.kansascity.com/images/twincities/twincities/10246/104981273204.jpg
>
>
>Mon, Nov. 22, 2004
>
>Collision of cultures
>
>Hmong and white hunters have had disputes in the woods.
>
>Hunting is a tradition many Hmong have continued to pursue since resettling
>here from Laos, though not always smoothly.
>
>Some Hmong hunters in the Twin Cities say they have been targets of
>harassment and intimidation. Some of their white counterparts complain that
>the former refugees, used to unregulated hunting in their homeland,
>sometimes fail to comply with modern hunting regulations and wildlife
>management practices.
>
>"A lot of these hunters are people who have a strong tradition in hunting,"
>said Hmong activist Michael Yang of St. Paul, who joined friends looking for
>deer on his first hunting trip a few weeks ago. "That was one of the bases
>of survival back in the old days. You go out there in your farm fields and
>hunt what you need."
>
>Hunters of all kinds expressed shock Sunday at the arrest of Chai Vang of
>St. Paul in shootings that killed five people and injured three during a
>dispute over a deer stand in western Wisconsin. The natural resources
>departments in Minnesota and Wisconsin, home to more than 75,000 Hmong
>counted in the 2000 census, have both hired Hmong conservation officers to
>help bridge the gap between Hmong hunting traditions and today's
>regulations.
>
>Lee Pao Xiong, a Hmong activist from St. Paul, said he stopped hunting on
>public lands in Minnesota after an incident several years ago in which he
>and two friends were hunting for squirrels. Two carloads of white hunters
>suddenly pulled in to the spot where the three were camping and started
>making harassing comments. Several other Hmong hunters overheard the
>commotion, and the other hunters left when they realized they were
>outnumbered.
>
>Michael Yang said he hears Hmong hunters talking of discrimination and
>taunts from other hunters. Hmong hunters have even been forced to take off
>their clothes at gunpoint, he said.
>
>"Definitely, there's a lot of friction," Michael Yang said.
>
>Other hunters say they have had problems with Hmong hunters they have
>encountered.
>
>Maple Grove hunter Sandy Halvorson said some local hunters complain that
>Hmong hunters have come onto private property to hunt and don't understand
>property rights and bag limits.
>
>"There's a problem with our system," she said, adding there should perhaps
>be classes to teach hunting laws and traditions to immigrants trying to
>obtain a license.
>
>"There is a cultural difference between hunting in other countries and
>hunting in the United States," she said.
>
>Hunters are protective of their favorite spots, said Dusty Bosteder, a
>hunter from Birchwood, Wis., near Rice Lake.
>
>"I'm shocked," Bosteder said of the shootings. "Stuff like that doesn't
>happen in this area." Still, he said, "Around this country, it has always
>been territorial."
>
>
>
>http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/local/10243515.htm?1c
>

well... look at that asian dude in "king of the hill".

isn't he a hmong from laos?

[spike]

What kind of deer do you find in a opium poppy field?
Hmong get away with breaking fish and game laws in Wis because I suspect
that Game Wardens were and are told not to arrest them. Why didn't they
follow up on Vangs citations?
"U3" <***@344.be> wrote in message
news:***@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:02:53 -0800, "!" <***@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >Keep in mind that Hmong are the "hillbillies" of Asians, coming from a
Stone
> >Age culture in the jungles of Indochina. They just cannot fathom the
> >concept of something called PRIVATE PROPERTY. Of course the ACLU and all
> >their blue state whigger friends will come running to Charlie's defense
and
> >make it look like it's all the fault of "tobacco-chewing,
sister-screwing,
> >inbred trailer trash," right, Morris Sleeze?
>
>http://www.kansascity.com/images/twincities/twincities/10246/104981273204.j
pg
> >
> >
> >Mon, Nov. 22, 2004
> >
> >Collision of cultures
> >
> >Hmong and white hunters have had disputes in the woods.
> >
> >Hunting is a tradition many Hmong have continued to pursue since
resettling
> >here from Laos, though not always smoothly.
> >
> >Some Hmong hunters in the Twin Cities say they have been targets of
> >harassment and intimidation. Some of their white counterparts complain
that
> >the former refugees, used to unregulated hunting in their homeland,
> >sometimes fail to comply with modern hunting regulations and wildlife
> >management practices.
> >
> >"A lot of these hunters are people who have a strong tradition in
hunting,"
> >said Hmong activist Michael Yang of St. Paul, who joined friends looking
for
> >deer on his first hunting trip a few weeks ago. "That was one of the
bases
> >of survival back in the old days. You go out there in your farm fields
and
> >hunt what you need."
> >
> >Hunters of all kinds expressed shock Sunday at the arrest of Chai Vang of
> >St. Paul in shootings that killed five people and injured three during a
> >dispute over a deer stand in western Wisconsin. The natural resources
> >departments in Minnesota and Wisconsin, home to more than 75,000 Hmong
> >counted in the 2000 census, have both hired Hmong conservation officers
to
> >help bridge the gap between Hmong hunting traditions and today's
> >regulations.
> >
> >Lee Pao Xiong, a Hmong activist from St. Paul, said he stopped hunting on
> >public lands in Minnesota after an incident several years ago in which he
> >and two friends were hunting for squirrels. Two carloads of white hunters
> >suddenly pulled in to the spot where the three were camping and started
> >making harassing comments. Several other Hmong hunters overheard the
> >commotion, and the other hunters left when they realized they were
> >outnumbered.
> >
> >Michael Yang said he hears Hmong hunters talking of discrimination and
> >taunts from other hunters. Hmong hunters have even been forced to take
off
> >their clothes at gunpoint, he said.
> >
> >"Definitely, there's a lot of friction," Michael Yang said.
> >
> >Other hunters say they have had problems with Hmong hunters they have
> >encountered.
> >
> >Maple Grove hunter Sandy Halvorson said some local hunters complain that
> >Hmong hunters have come onto private property to hunt and don't
understand
> >property rights and bag limits.
> >
> >"There's a problem with our system," she said, adding there should
perhaps
> >be classes to teach hunting laws and traditions to immigrants trying to
> >obtain a license.
> >
> >"There is a cultural difference between hunting in other countries and
> >hunting in the United States," she said.
> >
> >Hunters are protective of their favorite spots, said Dusty Bosteder, a
> >hunter from Birchwood, Wis., near Rice Lake.
> >
> >"I'm shocked," Bosteder said of the shootings. "Stuff like that doesn't
> >happen in this area." Still, he said, "Around this country, it has always
> >been territorial."
> >
> >
> >
> >http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/local/10243515.htm?1c
> >
>
> well... look at that asian dude in "king of the hill".
>
> isn't he a hmong from laos?
>

[jim_039yahoo.com]

First off, I am a hunter myself. The notion that Hmong hunters doesn't
understand "private property" is a bogus statement. I have seen real
people who doesn't understand private property from all walks of life.
What bothers me most is the media's way of magnifying minorities in
the news for small violations.

In regards to the unfortunate event. This kind of situation can be
easily avoided if "RESPECT" of hunter's spot was not violated. I have
had experience situation similair where my favorite spots are taken
over by other non-hmong hunters. A real hunter with ethical code of
conduct would NOT trasspass into another hunter's spot.

Jim


"!" <***@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<cnt9mn$2i8n$***@news.utel.net.ua>...
> Keep in mind that Hmong are the "hillbillies" of Asians, coming from a Stone
> Age culture in the jungles of Indochina. They just cannot fathom the
> concept of something called PRIVATE PROPERTY. Of course the ACLU and all
> their blue state whigger friends will come running to Charlie's defense and
> make it look like it's all the fault of "tobacco-chewing, sister-screwing,
> inbred trailer trash," right, Morris Sleeze?
> http://www.kansascity.com/images/twincities/twincities/10246/104981273204.jpg
>
>
> Mon, Nov. 22, 2004
>
> Collision of cultures
>
> Hmong and white hunters have had disputes in the woods.
>
> Hunting is a tradition many Hmong have continued to pursue since resettling
> here from Laos, though not always smoothly.
>
> Some Hmong hunters in the Twin Cities say they have been targets of
> harassment and intimidation. Some of their white counterparts complain that
> the former refugees, used to unregulated hunting in their homeland,
> sometimes fail to comply with modern hunting regulations and wildlife
> management practices.
>
> "A lot of these hunters are people who have a strong tradition in hunting,"
> said Hmong activist Michael Yang of St. Paul, who joined friends looking for
> deer on his first hunting trip a few weeks ago. "That was one of the bases
> of survival back in the old days. You go out there in your farm fields and
> hunt what you need."
>
> Hunters of all kinds expressed shock Sunday at the arrest of Chai Vang of
> St. Paul in shootings that killed five people and injured three during a
> dispute over a deer stand in western Wisconsin. The natural resources
> departments in Minnesota and Wisconsin, home to more than 75,000 Hmong
> counted in the 2000 census, have both hired Hmong conservation officers to
> help bridge the gap between Hmong hunting traditions and today's
> regulations.
>
> Lee Pao Xiong, a Hmong activist from St. Paul, said he stopped hunting on
> public lands in Minnesota after an incident several years ago in which he
> and two friends were hunting for squirrels. Two carloads of white hunters
> suddenly pulled in to the spot where the three were camping and started
> making harassing comments. Several other Hmong hunters overheard the
> commotion, and the other hunters left when they realized they were
> outnumbered.
>
> Michael Yang said he hears Hmong hunters talking of discrimination and
> taunts from other hunters. Hmong hunters have even been forced to take off
> their clothes at gunpoint, he said.
>
> "Definitely, there's a lot of friction," Michael Yang said.
>
> Other hunters say they have had problems with Hmong hunters they have
> encountered.
>
> Maple Grove hunter Sandy Halvorson said some local hunters complain that
> Hmong hunters have come onto private property to hunt and don't understand
> property rights and bag limits.
>
> "There's a problem with our system," she said, adding there should perhaps
> be classes to teach hunting laws and traditions to immigrants trying to
> obtain a license.
>
> "There is a cultural difference between hunting in other countries and
> hunting in the United States," she said.
>
> Hunters are protective of their favorite spots, said Dusty Bosteder, a
> hunter from Birchwood, Wis., near Rice Lake.
>
> "I'm shocked," Bosteder said of the shootings. "Stuff like that doesn't
> happen in this area." Still, he said, "Around this country, it has always
> been territorial."
>
>
>
> http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/local/10243515.htm?1c

[Pennsylvania Dutch]

BIRCHWOOD, Wis. - Yesterday, a Hmong immigrant from the 24,000-strong
"Hmong community" of St. Paul, Minnesota crossed the border into
Wisconsin on a hunting trip.

Armed with a high-velocity semi-automatic assault-style rifle, Chai
Vang, 36, wandered onto private property, ignoring the bright orange "no
trespassing" signs and took a position in someone else's hunting platform.

Locals have complained that the Hmong, a tribe from the jungles of
Southeast Asia, have no respect for the concept of private property and
hunt wherever they see fit. Apparently this is true. When Vang was
confronted by two White people -- a man and his son -- instead of moving
on, he shot them both. Before dying, the father managed to radio for
help. Six of his hunting companions converged at the scene on two ATV's
and were immediately fired upon. Those who were not hit fled into the
woods but were chased down and shot.

Unfortunately, the eight Whites had only one gun between them. It is not
known if they fired even one shot in return.

After killing the five Whites and wounding three, the Hmong immigrant
reversed his orange vest to the camouflage side to avoid capture, and
attempted to flee the area. However, lost in the woods, he required the
assistance of two more Whites to find his way out. Luckily for the two
Whites, Vang was out of ammunition. For a complete report see the AP
link below.

In February of 2003, the FBI released a law enforcement bulletin warning
that throughout the United States, the level of Hmong criminal activity
was increasing in severity. Extracts from the FBI bulletin:

The Hmong have become involved in a wide range of crimes, such as
homicides, gang rapes, prostitution, home invasions, burglaries, auto
thefts, and, most recently, the sale and distribution of illicit drugs.

In the St. Paul/Minneapolis area during the summer of 1999. Within about
a 6-week period, at least 22 shootings were reported.

Hmong gangs have considerable mobility. It is not uncommon for gang
members to drive from California to North Carolina, stopping en route to
visit fellow gang members in other states, such as Minnesota or
Wisconsin. Many times, these gangs transport guns to another state and
commit crimes in transit. Because of this mobility, law enforcement
agencies investigating these gangs must maintain a high level of
communication to effectively track gang activity.

Hmong gangs also present a violent threat to people who are not members
of gangs. The most frequent and violent crimes against nongang members
are rape and prostitution.

In Warren, Michigan, several members of a Hmong gang were arrested for
repeatedly raping teenage girls who they had held prisoner for nearly 3
weeks. The victims came from Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan.

The lead investigator stated that the case was so large that officials
had to pursue it in three phases. In the first phase, the grand jury
handed down 350 indictments on 14 suspects. Eleven of the suspects pled
guilty and received sentences ranging from 17 to 31 years in prison. Two
other gang members got 280 years and 4 months and 94 years and 4 months,
respectively, in prison. The second phase consisted of the grand jury
handing down a 323-count indictment and several of the suspects pleading
guilty. The third phase included 9 victims and 20 suspects, in which the
grand jury handed down an 826-count indictment. Several suspects pled
guilty and others were found guilty.

Associated Press Report

15,000 Hmong Head for Minnesota

Wisconsin: New Flood of Hmong Refugees Will Strain Already Tight Budgets

Which Way, Milwaukee?

FBI Bulletin

[gigab]

Shooter's version of events - from arresting officer's probable cause
statement

Sawyer County Sheriff's Investigator Gary Gillis
November 23, 2004

... VANG STATED THAT VANG HAD BEEN HUNTING ON PUBLIC LAND AND GOT
LOST. VANG STATED THAT VANG LOCATED A TREE STAND NEXT TO A SWAMP.
NOBODY WAS IN THE STAND SO VANG CLIMBED INTO IT. VANG STATED THAT
AFTER APPROXIMATELY 15 MINUTES ANOTHER HUNTER APPROACHED VANG. THE
HUNTER ASKED VANG "WHY ARE YOU IN THE STAND. YOU'RE ON PRIVATE
PROPERTY". VANG STATED THAT VANG TOLD THE SUBJECT THAT VANG DID NOT
KNOW THAT THE LAND WAS PRIVATE AND THAT VANG DID NOT SEE ANY "NO
TRESPASSING" SIGNS. VANG STATED THAT VANG CLIMBED DOWN AND STARTED TO
WALK AWAY. VANG STATED THAT WHILE WALKING AWAY VANG HEARD THE OTHER
MALE SUBJECT CALL ON A WALKIE TALKIE. VANG DID NOT HEAR WHAT WAS SAID.

VANG STATED THAT A FEW MOMENTS LATER 2 ATV'S APPROACHED HIS LOCATION
WITH 5 OR 6 GUYS ON THEM. VANG STATED THAT VANG WAS CONFRONTED BY THIS
GROUP ALSO. VANG STATED THAT ONE OF THE SUBJECTS THAT VANG BELIEVED TO
BE THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY STATED "WHY WERE YOU IN MY SON'S STAND?".
VANG STATED THAT VANG TOLD THE MAN THAT VANG DID NOT KNOW IT WAS
PRIVATE LAND AND THAT VANG DID NOT SEE ANY SIGNS INDICATING THAT LAND
WAS PRIVATE. VANG STATED THAT THIS MAN STATED "YOU JUST TRESPASSED
THROUGH 400 ACRES OF PRIVATE LAND. VANG STATED THAT THE OTHERS IN THE
GROUP SURROUNDED VANG. VANG STATED THAT THE MAN THAT VANG THOUGHT TO
BE THE OWNER THEN STARTED CALLING VANG NAMES LIKE "GOOK, CHINK,
[DELETED] ASIAN". VANG STATED THAT AT THIS POINT THE ONLY ONE THAT
VANG SAW WITH A GUN WAS THE FIRST SUBJECT THAT KICKED VANG OUT OF THE
STAND.

VANG STATED THAT VANG WAS TOLD TO GET OFF THE [DELETED] PROPERTY AND
NEVER COME BACK. VANG STATED THAT AT ONE POINT THEY WROTE DOWN HIS
LICENSE NUMBER AND STATED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO CALL THE LAW
ENFORCEMENT. VANG STATED THAT SOME OF THE OTHERS IN THE GROUP STARTED
CALLING VANG NAMES (GOOK, CHINK) AND WERE ALSO SWEARING AT VANG. VANG
STATED THAT VANG STARED WALKING AWAY AND GOT APPROXIMATELY 20 YARD
AWAY AND TURNED AROUND AND OBSERVED THE MAN THAT HAD THE RIFLE WALKING
TOWARDS THE REST OF THE GROUP. VANG ALSO OBSERVED THE MAN TAKE THE
RIFLE OFF HIS SHOULDER AND TOOK THE RIFLE INTO HIS HANDS. VANG STATED
THAT VANG STATED THAT VANG WAS APPROXIMATELY 100 FEET AWAY AND LOOKED
BACK AGAIN. VANG STATED THAT VANG OBSERVED THE SUBJECT WITH THE RIFLE
POINT THE RIFLE AT VANG. VANG STATED THAT VANG IMMEDIATELY DROPPED TO
A CROUCH POSITION AND THE SUBJECT SHOT AT VANG AND THE BULLET HIT THE
GROUND 30 TO 40 FEET BEHIND VANG.

VANG STATED THAT VANG REMOVED THE SCOPE FROM HIS RIFLE. VANG STATED
THAT VANG SHOT 2 TIMES AT THE MAN WITH THE RIFLE AND THE MAN DROPPED
TO THE GROUND. VANG SAW ALL THE OTHERS RUN TOWARDS THE ATV'S AND VANG
CONTINUED TO SHOOT. VANG STATED THAT 2 OR 3 MORE MEN FELL TO THE
GROUND. VANG STATED THAT A COUPLE OF THE MEN STARTED TO RUN. VANG
STATED THAT VANG CHASED AFTER ONE OF THE MEN THAT RAN TOWARDS THE
CABIN. VANG STATED THAT THE MAN WAS YELLING "HELP ME, HELP ME". VANG
STATED THAT VANG SHOT AT THE MAN SEVERAL TIME WHILE CHASING HIM. VANG
STATE THAT VANG STATED THAT HE GOT TO ABOUT 15 TO 20 FEET OF THE MAN
WHO WAS STILL RUNNING AWAY AND VANG SHOT HIM IN THE BACK. VANG STATED
THAT THE MAN DROPPED TO THE GROUND. VANG STATED THAT THE MAN DID NOT
HAVE A GUN. VANG STATED THAT VANG WALKED UP TO THE MAN AND HEARD THE
MAN GROAN AND THEN VANG WALKED AWAY. (THIS IS BELIEVED TO BE THE BODY
OF JOEY CROTTEAU)

VANG STATED THAT AT THIS POINT VANG HEARD ONE OF THE OTHER MEN CALL ON
THE WALKIE TALKIE AND STATE "WE'VE BEEN SHOT AND NEED HELP". VANG
STATED THAT VANG OBSERVED 3 OTHER SUBJECTS COMING ON AN ATV. VANG
STATED THAT VANG THEN TURNED HIS REVERSIBLE COAT FROM ORANGE TO CAMO.
VANG STATED THAT HE ALSO RELOADED HIS MAGAZINE WITH 5 OR 6 BULLETS.
VANG STATED THAT VANG DID NOT SHOOT AT THESE MEN BECAUSE THEY HAD GUNS
WITH THEM. VANG STATED THAT THE MEN WERE IN BY THE OTHER INJURED MEN
FOR LESS THEN A MINUTE AND THEN LEFT. VANG DID NOT KNOW IF THE MEN
TOOK ANY OF THE WOUNDED OUT WITH THEM.

VANG STATED THAT VANG THEN OBSERVED ANOTHER ATV COMING WITH 2 MORE
PEOPLE ON IT. VANG STATED THAT THE DRIVER OF THIS ATV HAD A GUN ON HIS
SHOULDER. VANG STATED THAT VANG BEGAN TO RUN AND VANG STATED THAT THEY
SAW VANG RUNNING AND WERE GOING TOO FAST TO STOP AND DROVE PAST YANG.
VANG STATED THAT THEY STOPPED APPROXIMATELY 10 TO 15 FEET PAST VANG AT
A 45 DEGREE ANGLE. VANG STATED THAT THE MAN REMOVED THE GUN FROM HIS
SHOULDER WITH ONE HAND WHILE THE OTHER HAND WAS ON THE HANDLE BARS OF
THE ATV. VANG STATED THAT VANG SHOT 3 OR 4 TIMES AND BOTH PEOPLE FELL
OFF THE ATV AND ONTO THE GROUND. (THESE ARE THE BODIES OF ALLAN LASKI
AND JESSICA WILLERS)

VANG STATED THAT VANG THEN STARTED TO RUN BACK TOWARDS WHERE THE
ORIGINAL SHOOTING STARTED. VANG STATED THAT VANG LOOKED UP THE TRAIL
AND SAW THAT ONE OF THE MEN WERE STANDING. VANG STATED THAT VANG
YELLED "YOU'RE NOT DEAD YET?" VANG STATED THAT VANG SHOT ONE MORE TIME
IN THE DIRECTION OF THIS MAN BUT DOESN'T KNOW IF HE HIT THE MAN OR
NOT. VANG STATED THAT HE CONTINUED TO RUN AWAY AND DID NOT RETURN.
VANG STATED THAT AT ONE POINT WHILE RUNNING VANG DECIDED THAT HE DID
NOT WANT TO SHOOT ANYBODY ELSE SO VANG THREW HIS REMAINING AMMUNITION
INTO A SWAMP.

VANG STATED THAT APPROXIMATELY AN HOUR AFTER THROWING THE AMMUNITION
AWAY VANG HEARD THE AIRPLANE OVERHEAD. VANG STATED THAT VANG WAS
THINKING THAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR VANG SO VANG WAS THINKING ABOUT
TURNING HIMSELF IN. VANG STATED THAT VANG CAME UPON A HUNTER WITH AN
ATV AND ASKED THE HUNTER FOR A RIDE TO THE ROAD. VANG STATED THAT THE
HUNTER DROVE VANG TO THE HUNTER'S CABIN. VANG STATED THAT THE WARDENS
WERE AT THE CABIN WAITING FOR HIM....

[sibtham]

I learn about this tragedy early yesterday morning and read most
articles as I could. All the network pretty much took the same line
from the first witness and amplified in different ways, mostly harmful
to the shooter.
The accuser has not spoken and the other side of the story has not
been told.
For sure this Hmong guy will need a real good lawyer and possibly
other sources of investigation besides the work conducted by the local
authority.
So far the news speculated in favor of the local folks but let's see
an alternative speculation:
This hunter was lost and wandered to a private property (not the same
as intentionally hunt in private property). He didn't intend to occupy
the tree. He could use it as an observation post just to find his way
out or simply curious about tree stand. It is not a crime for being
lost in the forest nor for climbing an unoccupied tree stand.
The local folks had planed a hunting party and would use the tree
stand during a certain determined period. They already have a clear
knowledge that there was a stranger in their tree. This was learned
from their radio communication.
Many of them were heading to confront the intruder. Those who got at
the tree stand first did not appeared to be frindly. When they saw him
as an Asian, they probably didn't say " Sir, you are on a private
property and you can't be here. Please leave". Most likely they
harassed him or even threated him. They provoqued him to be defensive.
As a former marine, his survival switch turned on. Guns probably
pointed at him or even fired on the ground in front of his feet first,
when he found a safe distance to fight and to redeem himself from
humiliation, he opened fire. A gun battle started and hunters have no
chance against the trained soldier. They were hunting one another down
and he slowly took them out at about 100 yards apart. It was a war for
very wild hunters. The dead people will be berried and he will go to
jail or even face death penalty. Hopefully land owners will become
more tolerable and know taht threating people holding gun in the
forest is not a way to get trespasser out. On the other hand, hunters
must do what they can to avoid privated property. Is this the revenge
of the deer?-

Alot of blame has been put on the understanding of difference in
culture and hunting law but I don't believe it a bit. Even the newest
Hmong comers would understand the hunting law in a 30 minutes briefing
about the law. Hunting regualtion and laws have established long ago
against illegal activity and there will always be illegal activity.
The real problem is the people problem. Some American hunters believe
that these "foreigners" slowly took on their hunting ground and often
the hyper ones act wildy against them until they encounter the die
hard ones.


A warning for the Hmong folks up there. Be careful, there will be
retaliation.
Don't be at isolated place alone.
Sibtham





"!" <***@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<cnt9mn$2i8n$***@news.utel.net.ua>...
> Keep in mind that Hmong are the "hillbillies" of Asians, coming from a Stone
> Age culture in the jungles of Indochina. They just cannot fathom the
> concept of something called PRIVATE PROPERTY. Of course the ACLU and all
> their blue state whigger friends will come running to Charlie's defense and
> make it look like it's all the fault of "tobacco-chewing, sister-screwing,
> inbred trailer trash," right, Morris Sleeze?
> http://www.kansascity.com/images/twincities/twincities/10246/104981273204.jpg
>
>
> Mon, Nov. 22, 2004
>
> Collision of cultures
>
> Hmong and white hunters have had disputes in the woods.
>
> Hunting is a tradition many Hmong have continued to pursue since resettling
> here from Laos, though not always smoothly.
>
> Some Hmong hunters in the Twin Cities say they have been targets of
> harassment and intimidation. Some of their white counterparts complain that
> the former refugees, used to unregulated hunting in their homeland,
> sometimes fail to comply with modern hunting regulations and wildlife
> management practices.
>
> "A lot of these hunters are people who have a strong tradition in hunting,"
> said Hmong activist Michael Yang of St. Paul, who joined friends looking for
> deer on his first hunting trip a few weeks ago. "That was one of the bases
> of survival back in the old days. You go out there in your farm fields and
> hunt what you need."
>
> Hunters of all kinds expressed shock Sunday at the arrest of Chai Vang of
> St. Paul in shootings that killed five people and injured three during a
> dispute over a deer stand in western Wisconsin. The natural resources
> departments in Minnesota and Wisconsin, home to more than 75,000 Hmong
> counted in the 2000 census, have both hired Hmong conservation officers to
> help bridge the gap between Hmong hunting traditions and today's
> regulations.
>
> Lee Pao Xiong, a Hmong activist from St. Paul, said he stopped hunting on
> public lands in Minnesota after an incident several years ago in which he
> and two friends were hunting for squirrels. Two carloads of white hunters
> suddenly pulled in to the spot where the three were camping and started
> making harassing comments. Several other Hmong hunters overheard the
> commotion, and the other hunters left when they realized they were
> outnumbered.
>
> Michael Yang said he hears Hmong hunters talking of discrimination and
> taunts from other hunters. Hmong hunters have even been forced to take off
> their clothes at gunpoint, he said.
>
> "Definitely, there's a lot of friction," Michael Yang said.
>
> Other hunters say they have had problems with Hmong hunters they have
> encountered.
>
> Maple Grove hunter Sandy Halvorson said some local hunters complain that
> Hmong hunters have come onto private property to hunt and don't understand
> property rights and bag limits.
>
> "There's a problem with our system," she said, adding there should perhaps
> be classes to teach hunting laws and traditions to immigrants trying to
> obtain a license.
>
> "There is a cultural difference between hunting in other countries and
> hunting in the United States," she said.
>
> Hunters are protective of their favorite spots, said Dusty Bosteder, a
> hunter from Birchwood, Wis., near Rice Lake.
>
> "I'm shocked," Bosteder said of the shootings. "Stuff like that doesn't
> happen in this area." Still, he said, "Around this country, it has always
> been territorial."
>
>
>
> http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/local/10243515.htm?1c

[declerk]

On 23 Nov 2004 07:05:30 -0800, ***@hotmail.com (sibtham) wrote:

>So far the news speculated in favor of the local folks but let's see
>an alternative speculation:
>This hunter was lost and wandered to a private property (not the same
>as intentionally hunt in private property). He didn't intend to occupy
>the tree. He could use it as an observation post just to find his way
>out or simply curious about tree stand. It is not a crime for being
>lost in the forest nor for climbing an unoccupied tree stand.
>The local folks had planed a hunting party and would use the tree
>stand during a certain determined period. They already have a clear
>knowledge that there was a stranger in their tree. This was learned
>from their radio communication.
>Many of them were heading to confront the intruder. Those who got at
>the tree stand first did not appeared to be frindly. When they saw him
>as an Asian, they probably didn't say " Sir, you are on a private
>property and you can't be here. Please leave". Most likely they
>harassed him or even threated him. They provoqued him to be defensive.
>As a former marine, his survival switch turned on. Guns probably
>pointed at him or even fired on the ground in front of his feet first,
>when he found a safe distance to fight and to redeem himself from
>humiliation, he opened fire.

the above scenario turned out to be what is being reported to the
court:

Race May Play Role In Hunter Killing Spree
1:40 pm EST November 23, 2004

HAYWARD, Wis. -- A man suspected in the killings of six Wisconsin
hunters told investigators he was shot at first after some of the
victims called him racially derogatory names.

That's according to documents filed today by investigators in the
case.

A Sawyer County judge set bail at $2.5 million this morning.

Chai Vang is accused of killing six deer hunters and wounding two more
in a dispute over a hunting platform on private property during the
opening weekend of deer season.

Vang is accused of killing six members of a hunting party after he
wandered onto private land Sunday. The conditions of two others who
were shot, Terry Willers and Lauren Hesebeck, are improving.

Willers was the first person shot. As he lay wounded on the ground,
Willers managed to radio to others that they were under fire. When
they came to the scene, they were shot.

Those killed Sunday are:

Robert Crotteau, 42
Joey Crotteau, 20
Al Laski, 43
Mark Roidt, 28
Jessica Willers, 27

Denny Drew, 55, died at St. Joseph Hospital in Marshfield, late Monday
night.

All are from the Rice Lake area, north of Eau Claire, in Barron
County.

-------------------------------------------------------------

[Born2beHmong]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-11-23-hunters-shot_x.htm

http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/news/img/nov04/statement112304edits01.pdf

this two web links would give you more info on both sides of the story to the case.

Born2behmong

***@hotmail.com (sibtham) wrote in message news:<***@posting.google.com>...

[Pennsylvania Dutch]

How can a 35 or 36 year old gook have been a Vietnam vet...yeah
right...in diapers...and other reports place the gook in the US for only
5 or 6 months...this all sounds jewie to me.

[Charlie]

Sibtham:

Good speculation and scenario in your part. As a Hmong American, I,
too, love to hunt and have become very good at it, especially with
deer hunting. I could sneak into a deer's bedding area. In some
instance, it was not just any deer's area but a full nocturnal buck's
hiding place; I could do it with little or no harrassment and allowed
myself to shoot a buck at bow range. However, that is another story.
I would like to key in my view about this whole incident. My
condolence goes to those six unfortunate hunters whose lives were cut
short by the suspect. I've heard of stories about White American
hunters harrasing our hill billy brothers before; my father was at one
time hunting rodents nearby a bow hunter on his tree stand; this guy
almost beat the crap out on my dad. My
father, to all honesty, was not aware of his presense up in the tree.
In this case, my father apologized and just walked away which was the
most intelligent thing to do. I do not doubt a bit that there are
hunters who would react in a threatening manner when they felt
intruded, but nothing would justify killing someone over it. We can
speculate all we want but regardless of what Mr. Chai Vang's alibi is,
he's not going get out of this case. He could say it's only an act of
defense; he could say anything but the fact is,,, six people died in
his hands. The worst he could have done as a retaliation if he was
shot at was to shoot back and missed (harrassment vs. harrassment),
not hunting them down one by one like a Sniper. He probably has more
chance of receiving a lesser punishment if he pled insanity that he
saw a herd of wolves attacking him and has mistaken them for men.
Using the race card as a defense is not helping the Hmong in this
incident.

I share the injustice that many of our Hmong brothers faced daily in
the work place, in the woods, and elsewhere - particularly the Hmong
children who were raped, mutilated, and murdered for the last thirty
years in the jungle of Laos today by the Lao PDR troops. Please don't
get me wrong. But I just cannot find the sympathy to share with Chai
at this time; my sympathy goes to the dead and their families. We are
all Americans; we shall live like Americans.

We have to understand that not all people, Hmong and non-Hmong, who
went out to the woods, particularly in state land areas, are rational
people. I have eye witnessed drunks who would shoot at anything that
moved - who would roar the wild with their three wheelers or 4 by 4
trucks as if no hunter would be bothered by them. I have seen hunters
firing their guns at little chipmunks, birds, and other non-gaming
creatures in spree as if they were attacked by a whole army of
enemies. The

We Hmong are fond of hunting; hunting, too, is a tradition to us and
much to it is inherited by our great ancestors who hunted and trapped
wild animals for survival for generations from the mountains of China
to the valleys of South-east Asia. We must to learn to respect the
wild and people surrounding us like our fore-fathers have taught us.
This isn't to demean and degrade our people; we Hmong are very decent
people but there are a few who fit the stereotype of
"foreignors intruding or trespassing our private lands" as some said.
Best of all, we have to learn to avoid conflicts with others. Never go
sit in unknown blinds, particularly during open seasons. Never ever
walk into private land; you must ask for permission. That's a rule of
thumb for hunters; you certainly do not want to find others in
possesion of your site. We need to have a better understanding of the
outdoor sports. The more we educate ourselves about rules of hunting,
the less problems we will face.

Let us not take one circumstance as a whole; Chai is responsible for
his own action - no one else. And, we've yet to hear Chai's story;
perhaps he was in-sane! Perhaps he was attacked first. If that was
the case, then let ib be a lesson for all hunters. We need, however,
to learn from this incident and take more precautions so we can
continue to enjoy our outdoor activities with less intrusion but most
important of all, less fear.

Charlie

***@hotmail.com (sibtham) wrote in message news:<***@posting.google.com>...
> I learn about this tragedy early yesterday morning and read most
> articles as I could. All the network pretty much took the "same line
> from the first witness and amplified in different ways, mostly harmful
> to the shooter.
> The accuser has not spoken and the other side of the story has not
> been told.
> For sure this Hmong guy will need a real good lawyer and possibly
> other sources of investigation besides the work conducted by the local
> authority.
> So far the news speculated in favor of the local folks but let's see
> an alternative speculation:
> This hunter was lost and wandered to a private property (not the same
> as intentionally hunt in private property). He didn't intend to occupy
> the tree. He could use it as an observation post just to find his way
> out or simply curious about tree stand. It is not a crime for being
> lost in the forest nor for climbing an unoccupied tree stand.
> The local folks had planed a hunting party and would use the tree
> stand during a certain determined period. They already have a clear
> knowledge that there was a stranger in their tree. This was learned
> from their radio communication.
> Many of them were heading to confront the intruder. Those who got at
> the tree stand first did not appeared to be frindly. When they saw him
> as an Asian, they probably didn't say " Sir, you are on a private
> property and you can't be here. Please leave". Most likely they
> harassed him or even threated him. They provoqued him to be defensive.
> As a former marine, his survival switch turned on. Guns probably
> pointed at him or even fired on the ground in front of his feet first,
> when he found a safe distance to fight and to redeem himself from
> humiliation, he opened fire. A gun battle started and hunters have no
> chance against the trained soldier. They were hunting one another down
> and he slowly took them out at about 100 yards apart. It was a war for
> very wild hunters. The dead people will be berried and he will go to
> jail or even face death penalty. Hopefully land owners will become
> more tolerable and know taht threating people holding gun in the
> forest is not a way to get trespasser out. On the other hand, hunters
> must do what they can to avoid privated property. Is this the revenge
> of the deer?-
>
> Alot of blame has been put on the understanding of difference in
> culture and hunting law but I don't believe it a bit. Even the newest
> Hmong comers would understand the hunting law in a 30 minutes briefing
> about the law. Hunting regualtion and laws have established long ago
> against illegal activity and there will always be illegal activity.
> The real problem is the people problem. Some American hunters believe
> that these "foreigners" slowly took on their hunting ground and often
> the hyper ones act wildy against them until they encounter the die
> hard ones.
>
>
> A warning for the Hmong folks up there. Be careful, there will be
> retaliation.
> Don't be at isolated place alone.
> Sibtham
>
>
>
>
>
> "!" <***@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<cnt9mn$2i8n$***@news.utel.net.ua>...
> > Keep in mind that Hmong are the "hillbillies" of Asians, coming from a Stone
> > Age culture in the jungles of Indochina. They just cannot fathom the
> > concept of something called PRIVATE PROPERTY. Of course the ACLU and all
> > their blue state whigger friends will come running to Charlie's defense and
> > make it look like it's all the fault of "tobacco-chewing, sister-screwing,
> > inbred trailer trash," right, Morris Sleeze?
> > http://www.kansascity.com/images/twincities/twincities/10246/104981273204.jpg
> >
> >
> > Mon, Nov. 22, 2004
> >
> > Collision of cultures
> >
> > Hmong and white hunters have had disputes in the woods.
> >
> > Hunting is a tradition many Hmong have continued to pursue since resettling
> > here from Laos, though not always smoothly.
> >
> > Some Hmong hunters in the Twin Cities say they have been targets of
> > harassment and intimidation. Some of their white counterparts complain that
> > the former refugees, used to unregulated hunting in their homeland,
> > sometimes fail to comply with modern hunting regulations and wildlife
> > management practices.
> >
> > "A lot of these hunters are people who have a strong tradition in hunting,"
> > said Hmong activist Michael Yang of St. Paul, who joined friends looking for
> > deer on his first hunting trip a few weeks ago. "That was one of the bases
> > of survival back in the old days. You go out there in your farm fields and
> > hunt what you need."
> >
> > Hunters of all kinds expressed shock Sunday at the arrest of Chai Vang of
> > St. Paul in shootings that killed five people and injured three during a
> > dispute over a deer stand in western Wisconsin. The natural resources
> > departments in Minnesota and Wisconsin, home to more than 75,000 Hmong
> > counted in the 2000 census, have both hired Hmong conservation officers to
> > help bridge the gap between Hmong hunting traditions and today's
> > regulations.
> >
> > Lee Pao Xiong, a Hmong activist from St. Paul, said he stopped hunting on
> > public lands in Minnesota after an incident several years ago in which he
> > and two friends were hunting for squirrels. Two carloads of white hunters
> > suddenly pulled in to the spot where the three were camping and started
> > making harassing comments. Several other Hmong hunters overheard the
> > commotion, and the other hunters left when they realized they were
> > outnumbered.
> >
> > Michael Yang said he hears Hmong hunters talking of discrimination and
> > taunts from other hunters. Hmong hunters have even been forced to take off
> > their clothes at gunpoint, he said.
> >
> > "Definitely, there's a lot of friction," Michael Yang said.
> >
> > Other hunters say they have had problems with Hmong hunters they have
> > encountered.
> >
> > Maple Grove hunter Sandy Halvorson said some local hunters complain that
> > Hmong hunters have come onto private property to hunt and don't understand
> > property rights and bag limits.
> >
> > "There's a problem with our system," she said, adding there should perhaps
> > be classes to teach hunting laws and traditions to immigrants trying to
> > obtain a license.
> >
> > "There is a cultural difference between hunting in other countries and
> > hunting in the United States," she said.
> >
> > Hunters are protective of their favorite spots, said Dusty Bosteder, a
> > hunter from Birchwood, Wis., near Rice Lake.
> >
> > "I'm shocked," Bosteder said of the shootings. "Stuff like that doesn't
> > happen in this area." Still, he said, "Around this country, it has always
> > been territorial."
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/local/10243515.htm?1c

[Pennsylvania Dutch]

Charlie wrote:

> Sibtham:
>
> Good speculation and scenario in your part.

Yep. Six dead. All shot multiple times while laying on the ground.

You should play jew Moses and lead your people back to the orient where
you belong. Take the jew rabbis' and catholic priests' who brought you
here with you.
http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=152578&postcount=2

[Charlie]

Penn:

Did you read the rest of my thread? Let us not take one small
incident as a whole. No one asked anyone to lead any people back to
Europe when Tim McVeigh bombed the Federal Building in Oklahoma. In a
time like this, we need to look at a broader picture; we are Americans
in the name of freedom. If the shooter is convicted, he is solely
responsible for his actions. If it turned out the victims provoked
him, maybe all of us should have learned to better deal with
irrational people next time.

Sorry you felt offended by my remark! "Good speculation and
scenario.." does not necessary mean I agree with him. If we really
wanted to prove that we're the world's hope, we have to do better than
attacking each other by our races and ethnicities.

Charlie

Pennsylvania Dutch <***@mail2usa.com> wrote in message news:<G6GdncqlHrXBez7cRVn-***@centurytel.net>...
> Charlie wrote:
>
> > Sibtham:
> >
> > Good speculation and scenario in your part.
>
> Yep. Six dead. All shot multiple times while laying on the ground.
>
> You should play jew Moses and lead your people back to the orient where
> you belong. Take the jew rabbis' and catholic priests' who brought you
> here with you.
> http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=152578&postcount=2

[Messalina]

"!" <***@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<cnt9mn$2i8n$***@news.utel.net.ua>...
> Keep in mind that Hmong are the "hillbillies" of Asians, coming from a Stone
> Age culture in the jungles of Indochina. They just cannot fathom the
> concept of something called PRIVATE PROPERTY. Of course the ACLU and all
> their blue state whigger friends will come running to Charlie's defense and
> make it look like it's all the fault of "tobacco-chewing, sister-screwing,
> inbred trailer trash," right, Morris Sleeze?
> http://www.kansascity.com/images/twincities/twincities/10246/104981273204.jpg
>
Unlike your dumb ass, I've actually been to Laos. Private property is
a well understood concept there. Is there any other way you'd like to
exposed your ignorance on this subject?

Mez

[matt]

[Perfesser White]

In article <***@4ax.com>,
matt <***@none.no> wrote:

> DO NOT INSULT SOMEONE CARRYING A GUN

Insults are no excuse for mass murder under any circumstances.

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[ntxubhmoob]

my advices to all property owners is if you see a stranger wandering
in your land, don't start yelling, "This is my land...get out or I'd
call the cop." This really brings out the animal inside the stranger
to do whatever possible. Be a little cautious and polite toward the
stranger. Ask if you can help him/her.

[Graphic Queen]

On 23 Nov 2004 20:30:31 -0800, ***@yahoo.com (ntxubhmoob) wrote:

>my advices to all property owners is if you see a stranger wandering
>in your land, don't start yelling, "This is my land...get out or I'd
>call the cop." This really brings out the animal inside the stranger
>to do whatever possible. Be a little cautious and polite toward the
>stranger. Ask if you can help him/her.

Better yet, shoot first!!!!

[John H]

"Graphic Queen" <***@five.six> wrote in message
news:***@4ax.com...
> On 23 Nov 2004 20:30:31 -0800, ***@yahoo.com (ntxubhmoob) wrote:
>
>>my advices to all property owners is if you see a stranger wandering
>>in your land, don't start yelling, "This is my land...get out or I'd
>>call the cop." This really brings out the animal inside the stranger
>>to do whatever possible. Be a little cautious and polite toward the
>>stranger. Ask if you can help him/her.
>
> Better yet, shoot first!!!!

they did! they missed.

[Graphic Queen]

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:17:44 GMT, "John H"
<chandin169(mung)@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"Graphic Queen" <***@five.six> wrote in message
>news:***@4ax.com...
>> On 23 Nov 2004 20:30:31 -0800, ***@yahoo.com (ntxubhmoob) wrote:
>>
>>>my advices to all property owners is if you see a stranger wandering
>>>in your land, don't start yelling, "This is my land...get out or I'd
>>>call the cop." This really brings out the animal inside the stranger
>>>to do whatever possible. Be a little cautious and polite toward the
>>>stranger. Ask if you can help him/her.
>>
>> Better yet, shoot first!!!!
>
>they did! they missed.
>
Actually, you have no proof of that. I know that because on the news
they already said that there was only one rifle among the hunters and
it hadn't been fired. Now whether that is true or not remains to be
seen. But I know that you have no proof of what you posted. That is
only what the idiot murderer said. But of course you failed to say how
he ran after one guy and shot him in the back. The murderer was not
frightened at all. he was on a rampage because he was told to get off
private property, where he had no right to be.

[John H]

"Graphic Queen" <***@three.four> wrote in message
news:***@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:17:44 GMT, "John H"
> <chandin169(mung)@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Graphic Queen" <***@five.six> wrote in message
>>news:***@4ax.com...
>>> On 23 Nov 2004 20:30:31 -0800, ***@yahoo.com (ntxubhmoob) wrote:
>>>
>>>>my advices to all property owners is if you see a stranger wandering
>>>>in your land, don't start yelling, "This is my land...get out or I'd
>>>>call the cop." This really brings out the animal inside the stranger
>>>>to do whatever possible. Be a little cautious and polite toward the
>>>>stranger. Ask if you can help him/her.
>>>
>>> Better yet, shoot first!!!!
>>
>>they did! they missed.
>>
> Actually, you have no proof of that. I know that because on the news
> they already said that there was only one rifle among the hunters and
> it hadn't been fired.

You're behind the times. check the recent news reports, there's no question
as to the rifle being fired. The question is who fired first. And I was
joking. Until investigations get under way, all any of us have is hearsay
from the two parties.

>Now whether that is true or not remains to be
> seen. But I know that you have no proof of what you posted.

Of course I have proof, he said it. Whether its true or not, its still out
there. You can ignore it if you wish. But I can see that as being more of
a motivation for 1 man to take on a group than saying he went crazy.

>That is
> only what the idiot murderer said. But of course you failed to say how
> he ran after one guy and shot him in the back.

Read his statement, whether he's lying or not, he did admit to noticing the
man had no weapon once he shot him to the ground. If he was telling the
truth, then he probably thought the guy was armed when he shot him in the
back.

> The murderer was not
> frightened at all. he was on a rampage because he was told to get off
> private property, where he had no right to be.

Now, look whose talking without proof. You have no idea what went through
his mind at the time. I don't, the victims don't, the media don't, I'm not
really sure if he does right now and you sure as hell have no clue!

Not arguing about the property rights here. But I would hazard you wouldn't
get shot up as much if you don't insult people who accidentally wander into
your property.

John

[Graphic Queen]

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:39:35 GMT, "John H"
<chandin169(mung)@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"Graphic Queen" <***@three.four> wrote in message
>news:***@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:17:44 GMT, "John H"
>> <chandin169(mung)@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Graphic Queen" <***@five.six> wrote in message
>>>news:***@4ax.com...
>>>> On 23 Nov 2004 20:30:31 -0800, ***@yahoo.com (ntxubhmoob) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>my advices to all property owners is if you see a stranger wandering
>>>>>in your land, don't start yelling, "This is my land...get out or I'd
>>>>>call the cop." This really brings out the animal inside the stranger
>>>>>to do whatever possible. Be a little cautious and polite toward the
>>>>>stranger. Ask if you can help him/her.
>>>>
>>>> Better yet, shoot first!!!!
>>>
>>>they did! they missed.
>>>
>> Actually, you have no proof of that. I know that because on the news
>> they already said that there was only one rifle among the hunters and
>> it hadn't been fired.
>
>You're behind the times. check the recent news reports, there's no question
>as to the rifle being fired. The question is who fired first. And I was
>joking. Until investigations get under way, all any of us have is hearsay
>from the two parties.

Oh, thanks for the update.
>
>>Now whether that is true or not remains to be
>> seen. But I know that you have no proof of what you posted.
>
>Of course I have proof, he said it. Whether its true or not, its still out
>there. You can ignore it if you wish. But I can see that as being more of
>a motivation for 1 man to take on a group than saying he went crazy.

There are plenty of crazy people out there and he might just be one of
them. Did you personally hear him say that? if not, no proof, only
hearsay like the rest of the stuff we are getting.
>
>>That is
>> only what the idiot murderer said. But of course you failed to say how
>> he ran after one guy and shot him in the back.
>
>Read his statement, whether he's lying or not, he did admit to noticing the
>man had no weapon once he shot him to the ground. If he was telling the
>truth, then he probably thought the guy was armed when he shot him in the
>back.

No excuse at all for shooting anyone in the back. I am sick of the
excuses people think make any kind of difference when it comes to
something like this. He shot an unarmed man in the back. Fact is fact
and that to me is a death penalty offense. But I am sure that the
liberals will get him off of that saying that he is an immigrant and
just didn't know better or something as stupid.
>
>> The murderer was not
>> frightened at all. he was on a rampage because he was told to get off
>> private property, where he had no right to be.
>
>Now, look whose talking without proof. You have no idea what went through
>his mind at the time. I don't, the victims don't, the media don't, I'm not
>really sure if he does right now and you sure as hell have no clue!

He was told to get out of the dear stand and to get off the private
property. What damn other reason would he have to go shooting up
innocent people? Because he was pissed thinking he had been personally
wronged.
>
>Not arguing about the property rights here. But I would hazard you wouldn't
>get shot up as much if you don't insult people who accidentally wander into
>your property.
>
>John
>
>
I used to own over 100 acres in Missouri. We allowed friends, and
ourselves of course, to hunt there. We had to constantly keep an eye
on the acreage for trespassers who thought they had a right to hunt
wherever they chose. All times we meant anyone on our property without
our permission we had our guns and oh yes, we never hesitated to point
them at the person if we felt the need. One time we even kept the
asshole's truck and made him pay a fine of our choosing before he
could get the truck back. Missouri law allows for this, or at least
used to when we lived there. And by the way, it matters not if someone
is unkind to you. if you are trespassing and are told to get off the
property, then just do it and quit the thinking that you have some
sort of right to be there.

I have no idea about the property the murderer was on, but you or I
have no idea if he was truly lost. hell, I am sure that he would say
anything now that he has gotten caught for the murder of 6 people.

Here is something else that has surfaced.


Detective: Authorities also look at 2001 hunter slaying

NEILLSVILLE, Wis. -- The Clark County Sheriff's Department is
investigating whether there is a link between the man suspected of
killing six deer hunters in northern Wisconsin this week and the
unsolved murder of a hunter three years ago.

"We jumped on it right away, my detective who is in charge of this,"
Clark County Sheriff Louis Rosandich said Wednesday. "This incident
which occurred in Clark County is not out of the minds of our citizens
or anyone else."

Jim Southworth, 37, of Medford, was shot to death Nov. 23, 2001, as he
hunted alone on family land 10 miles east of Neillsville.

Rosandich said investigators immediately got in touch with officials
in
Sawyer County to share information after six hunters were killed and
two
others wounded in a shootout Sunday.

"Of course the case which has occurred over in Sawyer County, it does
certainly perk our interest, but it is too premature to make any
determination as to a link to the Clark County incident of 2001," he
said. "We're hoping that the information they gain may help us in
solving our case."

An autopsy found Southworth was shot twice in the back, and court
records say several of those killed Sunday were shot in the back.

In the Southworth killing, hunters in the area reported seeing a
pickup
truck with three Asian men in it in the area where Southworth's body
was
found, Rosandich said. It happened about 80 miles south of Sunday's
shooting.

The three men were described as Asian, from 5-foot-4 inches to 6-feet
tall, driving a silver or gray Nissan or Chevrolet pickup truck,
possibly a late 1980s model.

Chai Vang, 36, of St. Paul, Minn., who is being held on $2.5 million
bond in the Sawyer County shootings, is 5-foot-4, according to a court
document.

Citing an unnamed online search engine, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
reported Wednesday that Vang has owned a 1987 pickup truck.

Sawyer County authorities say a dispute over a tree stand on private
property likely sparked this week's shooting, and one of the theories
in
Southworth's murder was that he may have been shot after confronting a
trespasser. His body was found about 200 yards from his tree stand.

Vang, a St. Paul truck driver, had an out-of-state license to hunt in
Wisconsin during 2001, said Mike Bartz, a Department of Natural
Resources warden manager. He also had licenses in 2000, 2002 and this
year.

Rosandich said his department has pursued numerous leads, but "nothing
has really benefited us in getting any closer at solving this case."

"We've kind of been at this dead end since this case started," he
said.

He said investigators handed out fliers and other information in
Wisconsin's Asian community, but they were never able to even come up
with possible identities for the men reported in the area.

[Graphic Queen]

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:39:35 GMT, "John H"
<chandin169(mung)@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"Graphic Queen" <***@three.four> wrote in message
>news:***@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:17:44 GMT, "John H"
>> <chandin169(mung)@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Graphic Queen" <***@five.six> wrote in message
>>>news:***@4ax.com...
>>>> On 23 Nov 2004 20:30:31 -0800, ***@yahoo.com (ntxubhmoob) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>my advices to all property owners is if you see a stranger wandering
>>>>>in your land, don't start yelling, "This is my land...get out or I'd
>>>>>call the cop." This really brings out the animal inside the stranger
>>>>>to do whatever possible. Be a little cautious and polite toward the
>>>>>stranger. Ask if you can help him/her.
>>>>
>>>> Better yet, shoot first!!!!
>>>
>>>they did! they missed.
>>>
>> Actually, you have no proof of that. I know that because on the news
>> they already said that there was only one rifle among the hunters and
>> it hadn't been fired.
>
>You're behind the times. check the recent news reports, there's no question
>as to the rifle being fired. The question is who fired first. And I was
>joking. Until investigations get under way, all any of us have is hearsay
>from the two parties.

Oh, thanks for the update.
>
>>Now whether that is true or not remains to be
>> seen. But I know that you have no proof of what you posted.
>
>Of course I have proof, he said it. Whether its true or not, its still out
>there. You can ignore it if you wish. But I can see that as being more of
>a motivation for 1 man to take on a group than saying he went crazy.

There are plenty of crazy people out there and he might just be one of
them.
>
>>That is
>> only what the idiot murderer said. But of course you failed to say how
>> he ran after one guy and shot him in the back.
>
>Read his statement, whether he's lying or not, he did admit to noticing the
>man had no weapon once he shot him to the ground. If he was telling the
>truth, then he probably thought the guy was armed when he shot him in the
>back.
>
>> The murderer was not
>> frightened at all. he was on a rampage because he was told to get off
>> private property, where he had no right to be.
>
>Now, look whose talking without proof. You have no idea what went through
>his mind at the time. I don't, the victims don't, the media don't, I'm not
>really sure if he does right now and you sure as hell have no clue!
>
>Not arguing about the property rights here. But I would hazard you wouldn't
>get shot up as much if you don't insult people who accidentally wander into
>your property.
>
>John
>
>

[Perfesser White]

In article <***@posting.google.com>,
***@yahoo.com (ntxubhmoob) wrote:

> my advices to all property owners is if you see a stranger wandering
> in your land, don't start yelling, "This is my land...get out or I'd
> call the cop." This really brings out the animal inside the stranger
> to do whatever possible. Be a little cautious and polite toward the
> stranger. Ask if you can help him/her.

Yes, I think that's just common sense.
Perfesser White

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[Pennsylvania Dutch]

>>my advices to all property owners is if you see a stranger wandering
>>in your land, don't start yelling, "This is my land...get out or I'd
>>call the cop." This really brings out the animal inside the stranger
>>to do whatever possible. Be a little cautious and polite toward the
>>stranger. Ask if you can help him/her.
>
>
> Yes, I think that's just common sense.
> Perfesser White

Anyone with any sense is going to get permission before they hunt...and
any property owner who doesn't want you hunting on his property will
tell you so...it's to be expected.

We forget there is a lot of rural crime...and many rural landowners will
ask you what you are doing on their property...not just during hunting
season either.

The gook just decided to shoot a white man...regardless of what was said...




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[Perfesser White]

In article <2OCdnVxVR4KOCDncRVn-***@centurytel.net>,
Pennsylvania Dutch <***@mail2usa.com> wrote:

> >>my advices to all property owners is if you see a stranger wandering
> >>in your land, don't start yelling, "This is my land...get out or I'd
> >>call the cop." This really brings out the animal inside the stranger
> >>to do whatever possible. Be a little cautious and polite toward the
> >>stranger. Ask if you can help him/her.
> >
> >
> > Yes, I think that's just common sense.
> > Perfesser White
>
> Anyone with any sense is going to get permission before they hunt...and
> any property owner who doesn't want you hunting on his property will
> tell you so...it's to be expected.
>
> We forget there is a lot of rural crime...and many rural landowners will
> ask you what you are doing on their property...not just during hunting
> season either.

You are correct, Dutch. I spoke only for myself.

>
> The gook just decided to shoot a white man...regardless of what was said...

Alleged insults is no reason for mass murder under any circumstances.

Perfesser White

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[Michael Chen]

Perfesser White <***@whiteuniv.org> wrote in message news:<perfesser_white-***@cosmos.uncensored-news.com>...
> In article <2OCdnVxVR4KOCDncRVn-***@centurytel.net>,
> Pennsylvania Dutch <***@mail2usa.com> wrote:
>
> > >>my advices to all property owners is if you see a stranger wandering
> > >>in your land, don't start yelling, "This is my land...get out or I'd
> > >>call the cop." This really brings out the animal inside the stranger
> > >>to do whatever possible. Be a little cautious and polite toward the
> > >>stranger. Ask if you can help him/her.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, I think that's just common sense.
> > > Perfesser White
> >
> > Anyone with any sense is going to get permission before they hunt...and
> > any property owner who doesn't want you hunting on his property will
> > tell you so...it's to be expected.
> >
> > We forget there is a lot of rural crime...and many rural landowners will
> > ask you what you are doing on their property...not just during hunting
> > season either.
>
> You are correct, Dutch. I spoke only for myself.
>
> >
> > The gook just decided to shoot a white man...regardless of what was said...
>
> Alleged insults is no reason for mass murder under any circumstances.
>
> Perfesser White

Factor in that the rednecks shot first... Mr Vang might have done us
all a great service by getting rid of those racist thugs.

Mike

[Perfesser White]

In article <***@posting.google.com>,
***@yahoo.com (Michael Chen) wrote:

> Perfesser White <***@whiteuniv.org> wrote in message
> news:<perfesser_white-***@cosmos.uncensored-news.com>...
> > In article <2OCdnVxVR4KOCDncRVn-***@centurytel.net>,
> > Pennsylvania Dutch <***@mail2usa.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >>my advices to all property owners is if you see a stranger wandering
> > > >>in your land, don't start yelling, "This is my land...get out or I'd
> > > >>call the cop." This really brings out the animal inside the stranger
> > > >>to do whatever possible. Be a little cautious and polite toward the
> > > >>stranger. Ask if you can help him/her.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I think that's just common sense.
> > > > Perfesser White
> > >
> > > Anyone with any sense is going to get permission before they hunt...and
> > > any property owner who doesn't want you hunting on his property will
> > > tell you so...it's to be expected.
> > >
> > > We forget there is a lot of rural crime...and many rural landowners will
> > > ask you what you are doing on their property...not just during hunting
> > > season either.
> >
> > You are correct, Dutch. I spoke only for myself.
> >
> > >
> > > The gook just decided to shoot a white man...regardless of what was
> > > said...
> >
> > Alleged insults is no reason for mass murder under any circumstances.
> >
> > Perfesser White
>
> Factor in that the rednecks shot first... Mr Vang might have done us
> all a great service by getting rid of those racist thugs.
>
> Mike

Hi, Juanita.

Perfesser White

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[Michael Chen]

Pennsylvania Dutch <***@mail2usa.com> wrote in message news:<2OCdnVxVR4KOCDncRVn-***@centurytel.net>...
> Anyone with any sense is going to get permission before they hunt...and
> any property owner who doesn't want you hunting on his property will
> tell you so...it's to be expected.
>
> We forget there is a lot of rural crime...and many rural landowners will
> ask you what you are doing on their property...not just during hunting
> season either.
>
> The gook just decided to shoot a white man...regardless of what was said...

Nice shooting! You can't blame him since those rednecks were the ones
who fired first and were shouting racial slurs. Mr Vang is a hero.

Mike

[Thorn]

Well said, Mike! I can not disagree with what you jsut said.

***@yahoo.com (Michael Chen) wrote in message news:<***@posting.google.com>...
> Pennsylvania Dutch <***@mail2usa.com> wrote in message news:<2OCdnVxVR4KOCDncRVn-***@centurytel.net>...
> > Anyone with any sense is going to get permission before they hunt...and
> > any property owner who doesn't want you hunting on his property will
> > tell you so...it's to be expected.
> >
> > We forget there is a lot of rural crime...and many rural landowners will
> > ask you what you are doing on their property...not just during hunting
> > season either.
> >
> > The gook just decided to shoot a white man...regardless of what was said...
>
> Nice shooting! You can't blame him since those rednecks were the ones
> who fired first and were shouting racial slurs. Mr Vang is a hero.
>
> Mike

[brushoff]

Pennsylvania Dutch <***@mail2usa.com> wrote in message news:<2OCdnVxVR4KOCDncRVn-***@centurytel.net>...
> >>my advices to all property owners is if you see a stranger wandering
> >>in your land, don't start yelling, "This is my land...get out or I'd
> >>call the cop." This really brings out the animal inside the stranger
> >>to do whatever possible. Be a little cautious and polite toward the
> >>stranger. Ask if you can help him/her.
> >
> >
> > Yes, I think that's just common sense.
> > Perfesser White
>
> Anyone with any sense is going to get permission before they hunt...and
> any property owner who doesn't want you hunting on his property will
> tell you so...it's to be expected.
>
> We forget there is a lot of rural crime...and many rural landowners will
> ask you what you are doing on their property...not just during hunting
> season either.
White boys are bad for century, wake up, this is a new wolrd

[Hortensia H. Higglesby III]

Pennsylvania Dutch <***@mail2usa.com> wrote in message news:<2OCdnVxVR4KOCDncRVn-***@centurytel.net>...
> >>my advices to all property owners is if you see a stranger wandering
> >>in your land, don't start yelling, "This is my land...get out or I'd
> >>call the cop." This really brings out the animal inside the stranger
> >>to do whatever possible. Be a little cautious and polite toward the
> >>stranger. Ask if you can help him/her.
> >
> >
> > Yes, I think that's just common sense.
> > Perfesser White
>
> Anyone with any sense is going to get permission before they hunt...and
> any property owner who doesn't want you hunting on his property will
> tell you so...it's to be expected.
>
> We forget there is a lot of rural crime...and many rural landowners will
> ask you what you are doing on their property...not just during hunting
> season either.
>
> The gook just decided to shoot a white man...regardless of what was said...


Sir, can you imagine, can
any-fucking-one-in-the-entire-known-fucking-universe even begin to
imagine how this story would be carried if this guy were white and
offed half a dozen people, let alone minorities, just for the hell of
it?

Hortensia H. Higglesby III

[zerge]

Perfesser White <***@whiteuniv.org> wrote in message news:<perfesser_white-***@cosmos.uncensored-news.com>...
> In article <***@4ax.com>,
> matt <***@none.no> wrote:
>
> > DO NOT INSULT SOMEONE CARRYING A GUN
>
> Insults are no excuse for mass murder under any circumstances.
>

No, of course not. Still, don't insult someone carrying a gun.

[Graphic Queen]

On 26 Nov 2004 14:42:53 -0800, ***@hotmail.com (zerge) wrote:

>Perfesser White <***@whiteuniv.org> wrote in message news:<perfesser_white-***@cosmos.uncensored-news.com>...
>> In article <***@4ax.com>,
>> matt <***@none.no> wrote:
>>
>> > DO NOT INSULT SOMEONE CARRYING A GUN
>>
>> Insults are no excuse for mass murder under any circumstances.
>>
>
>No, of course not. Still, don't insult someone carrying a gun.

Unless you have a bigger gun and faster on the trigger!!!!

[ordosclan]

matt <***@none.no> wrote in message news:<***@4ax.com>...

Dont show up to a gunfight with just your dick. Private property?
Tell that to the indians.

***@mail.hongkong.com

[cthulu]

> Dont show up to a gunfight with just your dick.

You be correct sir, this has been statistically shown for the asian (cough) male.

[PunkAzz]

Lessons learned:

1) When you politely ask a tresspasser to leave your property with
cuss words followed by a ball of lead expect them to answer with a
hail of lead.

2) If your gonna argue with someone using cuss words and lead make
sure your crew is packing more than one gun.

3) Always pack an extra clip of ammo.

4) Very small but big bang!

[Perfesser White]

In article <***@posting.google.com>,
***@yahoo.com (PunkAzz) wrote:

> Lessons learned:
>
> 1) When you politely ask a tresspasser to leave your property with
> cuss words followed by a ball of lead expect them to answer with a
> hail of lead.

That's just the perp's side of the story.

>
> 2) If your gonna argue with someone using cuss words and lead make
> sure your crew is packing more than one gun.
>
> 3) Always pack an extra clip of ammo.
>
> 4) Very small but big bang!

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[Musashi]

"Perfesser White" <***@whiteuniv.org> wrote in message news:perfesser_white-***@cosmos.uncensored-news.com...
> In article <***@posting.google.com>,
> ***@yahoo.com (PunkAzz) wrote:
>
> > Lessons learned:
> >
> > 1) When you politely ask a tresspasser to leave your property with
> > cuss words followed by a ball of lead expect them to answer with a
> > hail of lead.
>
> That's just the perp's side of the story.
>

It seems that since the original group of people were shot dead, there really won't be any
other side to that story. The others who arrived later would not have been witness to the
early events.
Whether Chai Vang actually came under fire first should be determined by way of bullet in
ground and shell casing. The rifle in question I am sure is being examined.

[ntxubhmoob]

*Brothers, don't mess around with the Hmong. Hmong, by nature, don't
bully anyone but if push come to shove, hmong shoot but no talk.
Remember! Hmong were recruited by the CIA to hunt down Vietcong. Hmong
are brave, fierce figthers. Next time when you see Hmong coming to
your land for hunting, give them a cow instead. Don't cuss. Hmong
don't like cussing. Don't brag about shooting if you have no ball to
shoot.

[Graphic Queen]

On 27 Nov 2004 11:03:15 -0800, ***@yahoo.com (ntxubhmoob) wrote:

>*Brothers, don't mess around with the Hmong. Hmong, by nature, don't
>bully anyone but if push come to shove, hmong shoot but no talk.
>Remember! Hmong were recruited by the CIA to hunt down Vietcong. Hmong
>are brave, fierce figthers. Next time when you see Hmong coming to
>your land for hunting, give them a cow instead. Don't cuss. Hmong
>don't like cussing. Don't brag about shooting if you have no ball to
>shoot.

So the best thing is to just shoot the bastards and then we will be
rid of their asses.

[Da Snoopy]

cool pictures of a good body count.


"S L'Gree" <***@ckintoitboy.edu> wrote in message
news:coaskl$u8$***@news.utel.net.ua...
> "Graphic Queen" <***@three.four> wrote in message
> news:***@4ax.com...
>> So the best thing is to just shoot the bastards and then we will be
>> rid of their asses.
>
> Best thing I've heard all day
>
>
>



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[cow_racer]

You are right on that one.

Racial comments can really push someone to beyond their limit.

[Graphic Queen]

On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 15:53:51 -0600, cow_racer <***@netscape.net>
wrote:

>You are right on that one.
>
>Racial comments can really push someone to beyond their limit.

BS and it is no excuse but of course not one person has any proof at
all that the Hmong actually had any racial slurs said toward him. He
is the only one saying this and of course he is nothing but a
murderer.

[--=Cochise~<|||<®>|||>~Guardian=--]

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:02:53 -0800, "!" <***@nospam.com> wrote:

>Keep in mind that Hmong are the "hillbillies" of Asians, coming from a Stone
>Age culture in the jungles of Indochina. They just cannot fathom the
>concept of something called PRIVATE PROPERTY. Of course the ACLU and all
>their blue state whigger friends will come running to Charlie's defense and
>make it look like it's all the fault of "tobacco-chewing, sister-screwing,
>inbred trailer trash," right, Morris Sleeze?
>http://www.kansascity.com/images/twincities/twincities/10246/104981273204.jpg

These fucking gooks need to be **deleted**. Whomever came up with the idea of bringing this vermin
into the country should be strung up by their balls.

[matt]

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:46:22 GMT, "--=Cochise~<|||<®>|||>~Guardian=--"
<jay*--REMOVE--*@alaskamail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:02:53 -0800, "!" <***@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>Keep in mind that Hmong are the "hillbillies" of Asians, coming from a Stone
>>Age culture in the jungles of Indochina. They just cannot fathom the
>>concept of something called PRIVATE PROPERTY. Of course the ACLU and all
>>their blue state whigger friends will come running to Charlie's defense and
>>make it look like it's all the fault of "tobacco-chewing, sister-screwing,
>>inbred trailer trash," right, Morris Sleeze?
>>http://www.kansascity.com/images/twincities/twincities/10246/104981273204.jpg
>
>These fucking gooks need to be **deleted**. Whomever came up with the idea of bringing this vermin
>into the country should be strung up by their balls.

The same thing will happen with Mexicans when they start taking up
hunting - and Iraqi refugees when they're transported over here by the
zillions because of the Iraq fiasco.

[ordosclan]

matt <***@none.no> wrote in message news:<***@4ax.com>...
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:46:22 GMT, "--=Cochise~<|||<®>|||>~Guardian=--"
> <jay*--REMOVE--*@alaskamail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:02:53 -0800, "!" <***@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Keep in mind that Hmong are the "hillbillies" of Asians, coming from a Stone
> >>Age culture in the jungles of Indochina. They just cannot fathom the
> >>concept of something called PRIVATE PROPERTY. Of course the ACLU and all
> >>their blue state whigger friends will come running to Charlie's defense and
> >>make it look like it's all the fault of "tobacco-chewing, sister-screwing,
> >>inbred trailer trash," right, Morris Sleeze?
> >>http://www.kansascity.com/images/twincities/twincities/10246/104981273204.jpg
> >
> >These fucking gooks need to be **deleted**. Whomever came up with the idea of bringing this vermin
> >into the country should be strung up by their balls.
>
> The same thing will happen with Mexicans when they start taking up
> hunting - and Iraqi refugees when they're transported over here by the
> zillions because of the Iraq fiasco.

Who's fault is it you moosepumps have queer tastes? You all go out to
the woods to pump each others asshole, then see a tiny hmong guy and
your like: "hooo wee we gonna get some slanty eyed bootay tonight
fellas". Yet you get your ass whooped by one man with a SKS and a 10
round magazine. Seems the only people you can succeed at combating
are raping pregnant women at gunpoint.

***@mail.hongkong.com

[S L'Gree]

"--=Cochise~<|||<®>|||>~Guardian=--" <jay*--REMOVE--*@alaskamail.com> wrote
in message news:***@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:02:53 -0800, "!" <***@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >Keep in mind that Hmong are the "hillbillies" of Asians, coming from a
Stone
> >Age culture in the jungles of Indochina. They just cannot fathom the
> >concept of something called PRIVATE PROPERTY. Of course the ACLU and all
> >their blue state whigger friends will come running to Charlie's defense
> >and make it look like it's all the fault of "tobacco-chewing,
> >sister-screwing, inbred trailer trash," right, Morris Sleeze?
>
>http://www.kansascity.com/images/twincities/twincities/10246/104981273204.j
pg
>
> These fucking gooks need to be **deleted**. Whomever came up with the idea
> of bringing this vermin into the country should be strung up by their
> balls.

You can thank Gerald Ford for that. No sooner did Saigon fall in 1975 than
he announced that the U.S. would throw its doors open and take in millions
of gooks.

Now you just watch: When the U.S. pulls out of Iraq -- either in six months
or six years -- the muslim shithole will explode into civil war and as soon
as Baghdad is taken over by the Sunnis or Shiites or Sufis or some other
allah-akbar dune coons, we'll be rolling out the welcome mat again, only
this time for millions of "sand people," just like the "boat people." Gee,
isn't "multiculturalism" fucking wonderful.

[qwerty]

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:25:49 -0800, "S L'Gree"
<***@ckintoitboy.edu> wrote:

>"--=Cochise~<|||<®>|||>~Guardian=--" <jay*--REMOVE--*@alaskamail.com> wrote
>in message news:***@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:02:53 -0800, "!" <***@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Keep in mind that Hmong are the "hillbillies" of Asians, coming from a
>Stone
>> >Age culture in the jungles of Indochina. They just cannot fathom the
>> >concept of something called PRIVATE PROPERTY. Of course the ACLU and all
>> >their blue state whigger friends will come running to Charlie's defense
>> >and make it look like it's all the fault of "tobacco-chewing,
>> >sister-screwing, inbred trailer trash," right, Morris Sleeze?
>>
>>http://www.kansascity.com/images/twincities/twincities/10246/104981273204.j
>pg
>>
>> These fucking gooks need to be **deleted**. Whomever came up with the idea
>> of bringing this vermin into the country should be strung up by their
>> balls.
>
>You can thank Gerald Ford for that. No sooner did Saigon fall in 1975 than
>he announced that the U.S. would throw its doors open and take in millions
>of gooks.
>
>Now you just watch: When the U.S. pulls out of Iraq -- either in six months
>or six years -- the muslim shithole will explode into civil war and as soon
>as Baghdad is taken over by the Sunnis or Shiites or Sufis or some other
>allah-akbar dune coons, we'll be rolling out the welcome mat again, only
>this time for millions of "sand people," just like the "boat people." Gee,
>isn't "multiculturalism" fucking wonderful.
>

That's what you get for trying to bring "DEMOCRACY and FREEDOM" to
other lands.

Stay out of foreign countries, and you don't have to take care of
them.

[James H. Hood]

qwerty <***@1423.be> wrote in message
news:***@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:25:49 -0800, "S L'Gree"
> <***@ckintoitboy.edu> wrote:
>
> >"--=Cochise~<|||<®>|||>~Guardian=--" <jay*--REMOVE--*@alaskamail.com>
wrote
> >in message news:***@4ax.com...
> >> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:02:53 -0800, "!" <***@nospam.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Keep in mind that Hmong are the "hillbillies" of Asians, coming from a
> >Stone
> >> >Age culture in the jungles of Indochina. They just cannot fathom the
> >> >concept of something called PRIVATE PROPERTY. Of course the ACLU and
all
> >> >their blue state whigger friends will come running to Charlie's
defense
> >> >and make it look like it's all the fault of "tobacco-chewing,
> >> >sister-screwing, inbred trailer trash," right, Morris Sleeze?
> >>
>
>>http://www.kansascity.com/images/twincities/twincities/10246/104981273204.
j
> >pg
> >>
> >> These fucking gooks need to be **deleted**. Whomever came up with the
idea
> >> of bringing this vermin into the country should be strung up by their
> >> balls.
> >
> >You can thank Gerald Ford for that. No sooner did Saigon fall in 1975
than
> >he announced that the U.S. would throw its doors open and take in
millions
> >of gooks.
> >
> >Now you just watch: When the U.S. pulls out of Iraq -- either in six
months
> >or six years -- the muslim shithole will explode into civil war and as
soon
> >as Baghdad is taken over by the Sunnis or Shiites or Sufis or some other
> >allah-akbar dune coons, we'll be rolling out the welcome mat again, only
> >this time for millions of "sand people," just like the "boat people."
Gee,
> >isn't "multiculturalism" fucking wonderful.
> >
>
> That's what you get for trying to bring "DEMOCRACY and FREEDOM" to
> other lands.
>
> Stay out of foreign countries, and you don't have to take care of
> them.

You mean, we won't have to take care of countries after Belgian paratroopers
are done roasting their citizens?